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The Next Detroit
Forbes ^ | 6/2/2009 | Joann Muller

Posted on 06/01/2009 11:44:02 PM PDT by bruinbirdman

Rising in Motown's ruins: a generation of entrepreneurs who want to make new kinds of cars in new ways. They just might give Amereica another century in this vital industry.

In the gloomy basement cafeteria of New York's Jacob Javits Center, Henrik Fisker is choking down a chicken sandwich and imagining a new kind of American car company. Almost everything is outsourced--engineering, components, the electric power train, manufacturing. No messy work rules to worry about, no postretirement health care. Only design and marketing remain in-house. ''It's a great time to launch a new car company like ours,'' he says, speaking at April's New York Auto Show, which was drowning in obituaries for the car business. ''We have a different business model.'' If you were a semiconductor executive, you'd call this a fabless car company.

Handsome, blond and draped in Armani, the 45-year-old Fisker, a celebrated car designer, is chief executive of Fisker Automotive, headquartered 1,970 miles away from Detroit in Irvine, Calif. His two-year-old company, backed by not quite $200 million in venture capital from Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Palo Alto Investors and the Qatar Investment Authority, begins production in November of the 100mpg Fisker Karma, an $88,000 plug-in hybrid sports sedan. Fisker expects to sell 15,000 Karmas a year, including a convertible due in 2011. He has presold 1,300 so far.

But he hopes to be more than just another gadget salesman for the Segway set. His audacious goal: branch out to higher-volume models and sell 100,000 vehicles year worldwide. That's more than Audi, Volvo or Mitsubishi now sell annually in the U.S. He expects sales to hit $3.5 billion once the next model, a $50,000 plug-in, debuts in three to five years. ''America has never been more ready for a new American car company,'' says

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; fisker; fiskers

1 posted on 06/01/2009 11:44:02 PM PDT by bruinbirdman
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To: bruinbirdman

Very interesting. I’m surprised he’s basing it in CA, though. Their tax man must be licking his chops.


2 posted on 06/01/2009 11:52:04 PM PDT by FlyVet
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To: FlyVet

There are deals to be made in some Cali municipalities. Irvine has been hit hard in the last 7 yrs or so. May many empty office building and manufacturing shells sitting empty after being over-built in the mis90’s and early ‘00s. They are willing to do some tax deferment with the right businesses and connections. Look for who his investors are; that might give some hints.

I look for the company to quietly move to a more tax-friendly environment if it really does take off. And I wish them all the success they can muster in their endeavor.


3 posted on 06/02/2009 12:03:08 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: FlyVet
I should read before I post - The guy is out-sourcing just about everything. Building it in Finland, design and engineering in Michigan, parts from existing shelf inventory elsewhere, aluminum frames from Norway...this guy has a slick bidness plan.
And a planned Gov't tax-break for buyers.
4 posted on 06/02/2009 12:10:26 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: bruinbirdman

So much for putting Americans to work.


5 posted on 06/02/2009 12:43:04 AM PDT by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: skr

You can work to create a company that is also based overseas

Then you sell your 100k toy to all the people that work retail after manufacturing is finally gone

Hopefully we won’t need to build any armor divisions


6 posted on 06/02/2009 12:51:33 AM PDT by Flavius
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To: skr
We've seen what happens when automakers "put Americans to work." Socialistic labor unions are formed, excessive taxation is levied and the automaker is slowly strangled to death. It's time to outsource, outsource, outsource, preferably far from American shores.

It's "Atlas Shrugged" time in America.

7 posted on 06/02/2009 2:14:03 AM PDT by SamAdams76 (I am 69 Days Away from Outliving David Bowie's guitarist (Mick Ronson))
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To: bruinbirdman
Pure propaganda.

But he hopes to be more than just another gadget salesman for the Segway set. His audacious goal: branch out to higher-volume models and sell 100,000 vehicles year worldwide. That's more than Audi, Volvo or Mitsubishi now sell annually in the U.S. He expects sales to hit $3.5 billion once the next model, a $50,000 plug-in, debuts in three to five years.

100,000, per year. Worldwide. Compared to the US sales of three minor brands.

Color me unimpressed.

Particularly after Obama finishes ruining the US electrical generating industry, and inflation hits.

Nobody will be able to afford a $50,000 car.

And no details on the battery (think Chevy Volt).

Cheers!

8 posted on 06/02/2009 2:18:21 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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Not to worry...the article says this is a 100 mpg car. It must have the fabled “100 mpg carburetor” in it. With just a little juice during an overnight plug-in feed, they could hit 1,000 mpg by June 2010. Heck, with some fine tuning and topping off a bit more juice, I’m sure they could hit 10,000 mpg a couple months later.

The author is obviously a savant graduate of an elite “journalism” school, but flunked 8th grade general science and never took a math or science course after that.


9 posted on 06/02/2009 2:31:27 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Tainan

And when the parts are substandard????

Oh! I guess that will be the standard.

It would be easier to just get rid of the Unions, and keep the jobs in the US.


10 posted on 06/02/2009 2:44:35 AM PDT by chainsaw (If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free! -- P.J..)
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To: bruinbirdman

These guys always pop up during downtimes. He’ll be gone before anyone notices.


11 posted on 06/02/2009 3:20:35 AM PDT by BobL (Drop a comment: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2180357/posts)
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To: chainsaw
And when the parts are substandard????

Reject the parts and, if necessary, find a supplier able to meet specs.

Oh! I guess that will be the standard.

Not if he's serious about staying in business.

It would be easier to just get rid of the Unions, and keep the jobs in the US.

Agree. Isn't this what Honda, Toyota and some other manufacturers have done?
Saturn comes to mind also.

Whatever transpires with this guy, getting something going isd better, IMO, than sitting on ones a** and complaining. Do Something!
12 posted on 06/02/2009 3:35:07 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus)
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To: Tainan
I saw that he was relying on outsourcing, and I could understand local tax incentives, but given the state gov's fiscal insanity....they are headed over a cliff screaming "screw the parachute, just give us the money!"

They are driving people like Fisker away. He must have good reasons for headquartering in CA, though, some way around the tax threat, or like you said, a good exit plan to a tax-friendly state, if he succeeds.

13 posted on 06/02/2009 6:46:47 AM PDT by FlyVet
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To: bruinbirdman

15 to 20 engineers from lighting supplier Valeo for eight months to work on the Karma’s distinctive bi-xenon headlights.
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How can it be cost efficient to have this many people working on a headlight????


14 posted on 06/02/2009 7:05:00 AM PDT by CTOCS (Some people drink from the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.)
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To: Tainan
Reject the parts and, if necessary, find a supplier able to meet specs.

Meanwhile, you're sitting on millions in WIP (work in process), you're missing your delivery dates and your cash flow has gone to hell because you can't invoice for stuff you haven't delivered.

Outsourcing is NOT a free ride.

I notice he's keeping the arty (design) and sales sides in house. So his company will have ZERO resident technical expertise.

Hmmmm...

15 posted on 06/02/2009 10:36:58 AM PDT by jimt
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To: jimt
Entrepreneurship! Ain't America grand!!

yitbos

16 posted on 06/02/2009 11:41:21 AM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds.")
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Handsome, blond and draped in Armani.

Methinks reporterette Joanne is having a Fiskerasm....

IMHO the guy is as big a charlatan as Bricklin was.

17 posted on 06/02/2009 11:47:38 AM PDT by nascarnation
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I prefer a Tucker myself.


18 posted on 06/02/2009 11:51:06 AM PDT by Clemenza (Remember our Korean War Veterans)
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