Posted on 05/27/2009 3:38:27 PM PDT by hoosiermama
Fox news (Bret Bair) Just reported on the petition for BHO birth Certificate. Commented on the BC posted on the web and the questions regarding it. Reported 400,000 names on petition and had the WH newspersons comments.
Done
Excellent letter! It is well thought out, coherent, and non-inflamatory. I’ve seen a lot of letters on this subject. Most of them launch into specific details, that while probable, are not established facts. It is very important to articulate basic facts and nothing more.
We don’t know where Obama was born. We don’t know the status of his U.S. citizenship. What we know is that the COLB is a forgery. It’s up to the media to start demanding the long version birth certificate. Focus on that fact.
If you must mention that you don’t trust Fact Check, do so in a manner that suggests it is cause for concern that they are the only “media” organization to have “seen” the alleged COLB and posted photos of it. Politely suggest that prudence would dictate that at least one other media organization should verify Fact Check’s findings, live and in person, not by examining more photographs of the COLB.
Just look at the auto dealerships that were taken away from fellow Americans! Seems they were chosen for being conservative.
Also heard stories about Americans being questioned by government officials concerning their actions of speaking against what the administration is doing. Don't know if all the stories are true, but they are sure out there.
I will not be frightened into keeping my mouth closed as to what is going on and will tell anyone who will listen. A nice large crowd in Washington DC in September will also help get our message out! I will be there! :)
One more point of reference for clarity. This is not the first time that Fox News has mentioned the birth certificate controversy. Before the election, Greta Van Susteren called for all four candidates (Obama/Biden, McCain/Palin) to release their birth certificates because she was tired of so many emails on the subject.
I want the judicial system to examine the document, testamony to who has had contact with it...and an expert testamony that it is authentic.
Good letter. Thanks for all your efforts Polarik. I will type one up to Bret. Bret is a good guy. I wonder if we all should sent a snail mail letter too.
Bret is not *The Untold Story* He is a fledgling anchor trying to fill Britt's shoes. Hume conveniently retired after the election. Fox News, are pandering sheep to all that suck it in! Fox News is depending on ratings,to manipulate the REAL truth!
So far, Fox has done well in playing the Administration against us.
Be aware friends, their motives are not of concern to FREEDOM.
Well, do you really think they are going to listen? Remember all of the antiwar protests? Does any administration really listen anymore. When they will listen is when we stop treating elections like sporting events, and truly vote for people that are honest and represent those that voted for them. This compromising that goes on in D.C. has to stop.
Bret Baier is a quality anchor. He doesn’t pander. He provides good coverage of most major stories.
Exactly what is the REAL truth, as you see it, that Fox News is allegedly manipulating?
Get back on your meds.
I think emails to Bret are a good idea. Thanking him for his action thus far and encouraging him to give Polarik equal time.
Your ideology of *What If* is nauseating! Our minds are not a bureaucratic waste land! The issues are BLACK AND WHITE! No room for debate!
Doesn't this and all that Zer0 is doing fit into the very definition of Terrorism?
Aren't we as a country being intimidated into exactly where he wants us to go? Even his first three months of shouting CRISIS CRISIS CRISIS was terroristic to me.
What if? What are you talking about.
btt
I'm talking about dissecting the past as it relates to present day. We have fought against deliberate fascism
For years. Contrasting the past with our present day *Pay Back* is conclusive proof so called conservatives have fragmented into fascist conservative HUBS.
I am not sure why you are posting this to me. What about what I said relates to your response?
Sure, we have “fought” against fascism for years, yet it is incrementally taking over our country. I see it on this site when some subject upsets people. I see it in our need to balance the Patriot Act with the rights of US citizens. One of the things that has concerned me about the Patriot Act is what happens when someone like O becomes president and he has all of this power?
But, I am not sure what point you are trying to make with me.
Found this when I went to a link on another thread, thought it was well done..Want to keep it all together.
In Hawaii in 1961, there were three different birth certificates
by DefendUSx May 12, 2009 14:32
Generally, folks don’t know that Hawaii law, even in 1961, provided for multiple kinds of birth records, most of which are not what people think of when they think of birth certificates. The following is a description of those, including certificates for people not born in Hawaii. Go figure!
1. In the State of Hawaii, back in 1961, there were three different birth certificates that were obtainable: a. If the birth was attended by a physician or mid wife, the attending medical professional was required to certify to the Department of Health the facts of the birth date, location, parents’ identities and other information. (See Section 57-8 & 9 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). b. In 1961, if a person was born in Hawaii but not attended by a physician or mid wife, then, up to the first birthday of the child, an adult could, upon testimony, file a “Delayed Certificate”, which required endorsement on the Delayed Certificate of a summary statement of the evidence submitted in support of the acceptance for delayed filing, which evidence must be kept in a special permanent file. The statute provided that the probative value of the Delayed Certificate must be determined by the judicial or administrative body or official before whom the certificate is offered as evidence. (See Section 57-18, 19 & 20 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961). c. If a child born in Hawaii, for whom no physician or mid wife filed a certificate of live birth, and for whom no Delayed Certificate was filed before the first birthday, then a Certificate of Hawaiian Birth could be issued upon testimony of an adult including the subject person) if the Lieutenant Governor was satisfied that a person was born in Hawaii, provided that the person had attained the age of one year. (See Section 57-40 of the Territorial Public Health Statistics Act in the 1955 Revised Laws of Hawaii which was in effect in 1961).
2. In 1982, the vital records law was amended to create a fourth kind of birth certificate for children born outside of the Territory or State of Hawaii. HRS Chapter 338 was amended to add a new section authorizing the Director of the Department of Health to issue a birth certificate for a person NOT born in Hawaii either as a Territory or State, upon sufficient proof that the legal parents of such individual had declared the Territory or State of Hawaii as their legal residence for at least one year immediately preceding the birth of such child.
3. The language of the statute clearly applies to births in the days of the Territory of Hawaii, so also births in 1961.
4. A press release concerning numerous questions raised across the country as to whether or not Obama was a natural born citizen was issued on October 31, 2008 by the Hawaii Department of Health by its Director, Dr. Chiyome Fukino.
5. In that very carefully worded press release, Dr. Fukino said that she had “personally seen and verified that the Hawaii State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.”
6. The intentional ambiguity of that statement raises more questions that it answered.
7. That statement failed to resolve any of the questions being raised by litigation across the country over the issue of Obama’s birth and qualifications for the office of the President of the United States, including: a. The specific type of certificate was not identified. Could it be the certificate for someone born outside of the State of Hawaii? b. Being “on record” could mean either that its contents are in the computer database of the department or an actual “vault” original. If the latter, those are the words used to describe what is there. The data base record could have been entered based on a birth record for someone born outside of Hawaii. c. Therefore, the value as prima facie evidence is limited and easily overcome if any of the allegations of substantial evidence of birth outside Hawaii can be obtained and verified with a Court Order.
8. It should also be noted that in the face of all this litigation, the simple presentation of Obama’s vault birth records would put the questions to rest.
9. Obama has not taken this approach to a single one of the cases, but instead has hired legal counsel across the country at no small expense to defend the claims with motions to dismiss on standing and similar procedural grounds.
10. Such response to the request for proof that he is qualified to serve as President of the United States of America only serves to raise more questions about this election.
thanks
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