Posted on 05/26/2009 10:32:53 AM PDT by lewisglad
Followed by:
"What makes you think it'll work here? Are the people that tried it in Canada and England complete idiots, or are the politicians here in America just that much smarter?"
“Her philosophy for arguing with liberals: “Tough love, except I don’t love them. My ‘tough love’ approach is much like the Democrats’ ‘middle-class tax cuts’—everything but the last word.” “
And even Ann Coulter is a hypocrite. One of her very good friends is Bill Mahr. That doesn’t reconcile with that quote.
After 40+ years of the welfare state . . why is the ghetto still the ghetto?
Where has socialism ever worked?
Where has national health care ever worked?
What do you think will happen to our technologies, health care system, innovations, creativities, if we take away the profit motive?
Why do populations shift to the more conservative areas, whether neighborhoods, schools, cities, or states?
Why do white liberals refuse to move into minority neighborhoods and send their kids to minority schools? ie. why not demonstrate your “commitment to diversity” with your own lives?
Are you willing to give up your own position of employment or your child’s college admission in the name of “affirmative action”?
Why not a Section 8 housing project in your neighborhood?
If conservatives are so evil, why do liberals keep moving into their neighborhoods and want to attend their schools?
Why do studies show conservatives are much more generous in terms of charitable giving then liberals?
Just for starters . . .
Some good and valid points. Thanks for sharing.
The basis of the liberal worldview is the belief that man is basically good. Everything extends from that - from the concept of elites making better decisions than individuals, to the idea of a perfectible society (given enough power).
If they claim to be Christian, ask them to please provide scripture that backs up that claim (there is NONE).
If they are not, ask them to provide examples of where, when left to themselves, humans behaved in a “good” way.
If you can convince them that their most basic assumption is in error, the rest logically follows. Yes, I said “logically”. Liberal beliefs are logical conclusions based on an errant assumption.
so hit them where it hurts....
ask them if they would be willing to work an extra day a week so they could give more money to those who don't work, are retired, make less money, are minorities, or just lazy.....go ahead and ask them...
ask them if the idea of redistributing THEIR income is a good idea....
Currently, the only liberal I know personally claims to be an atheist.
[who, ironically, has a savior/martyr complex]
This person acts morally and responsibly *but* supports 75% of liberal dogma.
The one time I attempted to broach the subjects of “truth” or “reality” got me an “I can’t talk to you until you’ve got your mind right” and “a phone slammed in my ear.
Until *I* have my “mind right”.
That’s a good one.
Currently, I’m idly biding my time, waiting for that wondrous moment that this person finally realizes that NONE of the promised Utopian “hopey-changey” crap is ever going to materialize.
Will I rub their face in it?
You betcha.
Speaking of “truth and reality” -
I’ve found that leftists consistently claim that these two concepts simply don’t exist.
No surprising, since truth and reality do not favor liberal ideology.
There are any number of follow-ups.
Wheres the 2X4? You need to get his attention first.
If they claim to be Christian, ask them to please provide scripture that backs up that claim (there is NONE).
If they are not, ask them to provide examples of where, when left to themselves, humans behaved in a “good” way.
If you can convince them that their most basic assumption is in error, the rest logically follows. Yes, I said “logically”. Liberal beliefs are logical conclusions based on an errant assumption.
Most I suspect fall into the second category; non-Christian. And this is the root of all the antagonism shown to the Christian Church today. But I'm not convinced liberal beliefs are logical conclusions. I see liberals looking at individual issues and making decisions, but seldom if ever seeing the broader picture; how these issues intersect and affect one another. The micro decision may be based in some sort of logic, but the ability to connect the dots (the macro view) isn't (or it's just not a possibility).
Case in point: Christian liberals (and there are many...). How can one be a liberal and believe that humans are generally good, and yet claim to be a Christian? Christianity is based on the Bible teaching us that we all sin and are apart from God. Not one of is is 'good' and a follower of God based on anything we can do or say.
My point, I guess, is that I see liberals making decisions on issues, one after another, yet never seeing how their little world is affected by all these disjointed beliefs. And this can make it very hard to change a liberal opinion.
“Understand what a liberal perceives as insulting — and then avoid it.”
But our minds were meant to be used.
Exposing the liberal's inability to process reality is the key to persuading others. When dealing with liberals, who lack the ability to think critically, any attempt to persuade them to correct their illogical thinking is pointless.
In my experience, it's from biblical ignorance. Then when you enlighten them, they would rather reject the truth of the Bible than their ideology.
James 4:4 You adulterous people, don't you know that friendship with the world is hatred toward God? Anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God.
This is kind of like the transitive property according to liberals:
If A=B, and B=C, then it's Bush's fault.
Oh, I've seen it go beyond Biblical ignorance. I'm aware of an ELCA pastor slamming a Bible on the floor and state to his Bible class that it's just another book and shouldn't be taken literally. That's not Biblical ignorance; that's Biblical rejection, from one who should know better...
Unfortunately the liberals in my family perceive that Truth itself is insulting.
I tried to state that in the rest of the post -
that they’d rather, when shown what the bible says about their ideology and assumptions, reject the bible than reject the world.
There are at least 3 places, in my limited biblical understanding, where God, through the writers, states that if you choose the world’s point of view, you are choosing the opposite of God’s point of view. And the opposite of God is evil, by definition.
What do you say to a liberal with two lumps on his/her head? Nothing, they've already been told twice.
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