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DC Smackdown: Advanatge Cheney
CBS News ^ | May 21, 2009 | (CBS) Pejman Yousefzadeh: Senior Editor of The New Ledger

Posted on 05/21/2009 5:27:46 PM PDT by lewisglad

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To: matthew fuller
Dick Cheney was Presidential. Obama was a petulant teenager.

I wish Dick Cheney WERE the President. I'm already sick and tired of the narcissistic cliches and bromides and meaningless blather coming out of the Zero, and we've got more than three years to go.

101 posted on 05/21/2009 11:44:38 PM PDT by hsalaw
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To: lewisglad

Dick, good job.


102 posted on 05/21/2009 11:49:25 PM PDT by maclogo (Think Logically ((It really ticks off the Liberals))
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To: lewisglad

When I saw Dick today, I wanted to cry. The suedo-
friendliness of Obama is quite sickening.


103 posted on 05/21/2009 11:56:19 PM PDT by maclogo (Think Logically ((It really ticks off the Liberals))
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To: lewisglad

The problem with Obama’s words about “enhanced interrogation” and the WOT is that many of his fervent believers know he’s full of manure concerning this issue. Deep down I’d bet the average Dem knows that the Bush approach to terror has been very effective. They’ll still support their idol, The Great Spreader, but a lot of his blind support is being chipped away by the dishonest speeches he gives like this last one. They’ll still hate Cheney, but if given a lie-detector test, they’d probably admit he was right and their hero was wrong.


104 posted on 05/22/2009 12:51:30 AM PDT by driftless2 (four)
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To: lewisglad

The only possible criticism of Cheney is the charge of unsportsmanlike conduct for winning an intellectual duel against an unarmed opponent.


105 posted on 05/22/2009 5:42:36 AM PDT by LoneStarC
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To: lewisglad

Excellent review of Cheney’s well reasoned points vs. Obama’s blame game speech.....and from a skeptic, no less. Good to see that some reporters actually listen to a debate before they write an opinion.


106 posted on 05/22/2009 7:12:30 AM PDT by Girlene
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To: lewisglad
"He maintains that his decision to use military commissions is not a reversal of an earlier position because it is supposedly improves on the Bush Administration approach to the use of military commissions. By this, he means that the Obama Administration will supposedly give detainees greater access to quality representation, .....detainees already were the beneficiaries of pro bono legal representation from top-flight, white-shoe law firms."

So, Eric Holder's Law firm, Covington and Burling, has been doing a poor job in their pro-bono work?

107 posted on 05/22/2009 7:26:13 AM PDT by cookcounty (He who controls the Language controls the Debate.)
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To: grey_whiskers

Is that CHE-NEY T-shirt available? You could make a million bucks!!!!


108 posted on 05/22/2009 7:30:31 AM PDT by cookcounty (He who controls the Language controls the Debate.)
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To: ozarkgirl

ozarkgirl wrote: “Where is Bush? Last I heard of him, he congratulated Obama and said something about supporting our new Prez.”

I was taught as a child “If you can’t say something nice about someone, don’t say anything at all”. Maybe this is what President Bush is doing....saying nothing at all because there is nothing positive about Obama’s term as President so far. President Bush certainly has shown more class than the Obama followers.

I with on the amazement of CBS giving what to me sounds like negative press coverage on Obama. Maybe the blinders are finally falling away.


109 posted on 05/22/2009 7:42:17 AM PDT by Sunshine54 (Sunshine54)
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To: lewisglad
If President Obama--eloquent as he is--is unable to persuade those who are inclined to agree with him, he ought to reconsider his debating strategy.

Obama is good at reciting a prepared speech in a friendly forum. Holding your own in an unscripted debate is another story.

110 posted on 05/22/2009 7:55:09 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: ozarkgirl
Yes, thankfully no longer and I do appreciate his team player thing. That is precisely why I would not want this man for President. He's too good to be President.

Plus his heart condition would make him a bad choice for a high-stress job.

But I will listen respectfully to his reasoning if he should ever endorse somebody he things SHOULD be President.

111 posted on 05/22/2009 7:57:21 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money -- Thatcher)
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To: lewisglad

whoa.... that’s an extended smackdown!


112 posted on 05/22/2009 8:00:22 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: calex59

And to say Bush was xxxx poor as a president is pure garbage.

Apparently, you now have a better president. Enjoy him.

When you have the country in the hands of a man who respects God and tries to follow His teachings, when you have a man that honors the office and seeks to treat all men equally - you have a good president that you can trust with your government.

When you do not have the above - you get Chicago gangland rulings, you get corruption, you lose your constitution.

Apparently you did not want two tax cuts, apparently you did not value Bush’s stance on abortion and embryonic stem cell research. Apparently, honor, dignity and protecting the people of the country meant nothing to you.

Oh, and have a little thought as to why politicians will not take a stance on the border and immigration. Karl Rove has advised that the future growth in America will be in the Hispanic sector - if a party intends to survive, they have to find a way to gain those votes. So, you try to win them if you want to keep the government in the hands of the GOP and out of the hands of the socialistic democrats.

Like it or not - those are the facts. And you either ignore or you compete.

So, if a president ignores that fact, you might say he was mindlessly xxxxing away his years in power ignoring the future of America.

But, gee, so many enjoy joining the democrats and trashing a good man doing his best for this country while leaving alone one intent on the utter destruction of this country.

Thanks.


113 posted on 05/22/2009 8:35:28 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: Chickensoup
.... Hussain is not eloquent. He is tongue-tied and inarticulate. However, he can read...and as long as he is fed lines .... can speak them with force.

The Kenyan Chappie is a brilliant orator ... as long as one doesn't listen to the words. His fame as a public speaker is a perfect example of a lie told often enough ...

He is a word-bomber... there is neither rhyme nor reason connecting the sentences in his speeches. There doesn't have to be.
What his writers have studied and so effectively use are SEO (Search Engine Optimization) techniques. They use focus-grouped words and phrases, "key-words," that trigger a conditioned response. This research is where quite a bit of the $1billion in campaign funds went ... and obviously it works.

For example, when researching on the internet, some web sites come up much more than others, which have similar, possibly better, content. Why? It's because the authors of those sites understand the "key words" that will get them past blocking software and home in on the query. The words need not make sense, or even be in any particular order. They are "triggers."

This is exactly why Obama's oratory works on believers ... and drives thinking people plain crazy. It is behavioral psychology applied to public speaking and it is a menace.

114 posted on 05/22/2009 8:36:44 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: Steel Wolf

Nobody listened to him in office, why should he try anything now? And, apparently, his own people could not find the guts to stand up for him - so why should he care about them now?

I would think, he wants no more of working for this country.


115 posted on 05/22/2009 8:37:36 AM PDT by ClancyJ
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To: FrPR
SEO ping

It's what's happening.

116 posted on 05/22/2009 8:40:05 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ClancyJ
Clancy, talking, explaining, etc. is part of the job.

Bush could not communicate the benefits of his policies. He did not see fit to put people out front ...like Cheney ... who could. And frankly, many of his policies seemed directly contrary to the views of the people whose votes put him in office.

GW is a good man, and he will take a respectable place in presidential history. But right now, his legacy is the glib, impostor who quite easily took his place.

117 posted on 05/22/2009 8:46:40 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ozarkgirl
Where is Bush? Last I heard of him, he congratulated Obama and said something about supporting our new Prez.

Reportedly, Bush is writing his memoirs -- i.e., his version of events in his administration. Doubtless, they will be as revealing as Cheney's defense of same.

Cheney is also doubtless speaking with Bush's full approval and support.

Finally, I fully expect that Bush will honor the presidential tradition of not bad-mouthing a past or present president. But Cheney is not bound by the same tradition.

We haven't heard the last of Dick Cheney. And that's a good thing for America.

118 posted on 05/22/2009 9:03:59 AM PDT by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance on Parade)
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To: lewisglad
"But I would be lying if I didn't say that I believe former Vice President Cheney had the better of the argument.

Ahhh, your "but" renders everything prior to a lie.

119 posted on 05/22/2009 9:05:47 AM PDT by NoGrayZone (The beauty of the 2nd amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it. T.J.)
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To: ClancyJ
One:) I never said Bozo was a good president, I don't think he is President at all. Two:)I didn't say Bush was a bad President, but he was not a great one. He did many things wrong and his worst offense was not ever defending himself. You can call it taking the high ground, I call it being an idiot and coward. Cheney is doing what he wanted to do when he was VP, he is a great man and would have 10 times the President Bush was. The only thing Bush did well, and he failed in respects in that area, was security. I think what he did do right was mainly because of Cheney's past experience in security and he took Dick's advice.

Why is it that people like you can't take deserved criticism of Bush without acting as if the person doing it somehow supports Bozo? There is no coherent argument in your comment, only anger and ad hoc crap.

Bush is a direct cause of Bozo's getting elected. His failure to fight back allowed the MSM to paint the Republicans as jerks for 8 years, he also, in case you don't remember, led the charge for the first stimulus package and said that he was going to tear down capitalism, or words to that effect, in order to save it. What BS.

Bush was not a good President when all of his accomplishments and failures are factored in.

BTW, I hate that frickin McCain to, I voted for Sarah, who is twice the man Bush is BTW.

120 posted on 05/22/2009 10:10:07 AM PDT by calex59
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