Ida: the Real Story of this “Scientific Breakthrough”

AiG ^ | May 21, 2009

[GodGunsGuts]

So-called “missing link” Ida hit the media in a major way on Monday of this week, with even search engine Google falling prey to the hype and modifying its search page banner to show Ida. We quickly responded with a full article, Ida: the Missing Link at Last?

Yet within a few hours of the unveiling of the fossil—coordinated to coincide with the publication of the scientific paper on Ida—some better media outlets began to report some worrying things about the research. It seems as though the scientific process had been rushed and the claims exaggerated in a bid to promote a new documentary and book on the fossil. Sadly, media pressures sometimes trump full research integrity (something we’ve seen before), and careless media sources reprint explosive (and unjustified) quotations without consulting as many scientists as they should. Thankfully, though, many in the scientific community are questioning the research and beginning to become more vocal about their concerns regarding how good science and media aren’t the best mix.

But don’t just take our word for it—read these amazing excerpts that reveal the Ida hype for what it truly is...

[CharlesWayneCT]

And since I find a lot of the hit-and-run types on these threads don't go to links to read them:

“What Americans Really Believe,” a comprehensive new study released by Baylor University yesterday, shows that traditional Christian religion greatly decreases belief in everything from the efficacy of palm readers to the usefulness of astrology. It also shows that the irreligious and the members of more liberal Protestant denominations, far from being resistant to superstition, tend to be much more likely to believe in the paranormal and in pseudoscience than evangelical Christians.

The Gallup Organization, under contract to Baylor’s Institute for Studies of Religion, asked American adults a series of questions to gauge credulity. Do dreams foretell the future? Did ancient advanced civilizations such as Atlantis exist? Can places be haunted? Is it possible to communicate with the dead? Will creatures like Bigfoot and the Loch Ness Monster someday be discovered by science?

The answers were added up to create an index of belief in occult and the paranormal. While 31% of people who never worship expressed strong belief in these things, only 8% of people who attend a house of worship more than once a week did.

I don't suppose they are going to call Baylor University and the Gallop Organization bozos. But I don't want to prejudge.

Logically, this should have made sense even to athiests. People don't believe in Religion simply because they are brainwashed, it seems to be a natural inclination to look for greater purpose and meaning in life, and absent a religious meaning people will look for meaning elsewhere.

In fact, you can see that in the way the evolutionists here defend evolution -- it's not just a dispassionate discussion of facts, it's a jihad borne of emotional outbursts, such as calling people bozos and liars and ridiculing the messengers. It's exactly what we see when people who have personal beliefs feel they are being attacked.

[tpanther]

Looks like the hype about the hype will outlive the hype.

translation: "Can us evos bury this obvious embarassment as soon as possible"?

[CharlesWayneCT]

I have a feeling you already think you know the answer to your questions, so you are not asking because you need knowledge, but because you are attempting to make some debating point rather than discuss the issue of the over-hyping of Ida.

However, here are your answers. "(1) We don't know, (2) We don't know, (3) We don't know, (4) seems to be, although at least a couple of scientists are now questioning that basic notion, (5) nuclear physics is a branch of science, not something you "believe in", so your question was ignorant.

I do this as a public service so that maybe you would get back to the topic of the thread rather than hijacking it for your own purposes.

[jessduntno]

“Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories. Bounce it against the data and the facts.”

Bounce this;

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2255759/posts

[alstewartfan]

Hey Jeff, I *want* the evos to keep talking about “Ida” the lemur, or “Grandma”, as I affectionately call her. I wouldn’t want to suppress a word of it! I’m grabbing my popcorn now. Bob

[aruanan]

“Why don’t you creationist bozos give your own seriously flawed theory the same critique that most real scientists give their own pet theories. Bounce it against the data and the facts.”

This happens most often in physics, chemistry, and the biological sciences, least often in disciplines like evolutionary biology and cosmology. The difference is that in the former the subject matter is more likely than not to bite you in the ass if you're making a mistake; in the latter, it will readily adopt and hold any pose you put it in.

[jessduntno]

“This happens most often in physics, chemistry, and the biological sciences, least often in disciplines like evolutionary biology and cosmology. The difference is that in the former the subject matter is more likely than not to bite you in the ass if you’re making a mistake; in the latter, it will readily adopt and hold any pose you put it in.”

The former are sciences; the latter are guesswork and theory. Why they are referred to as “disciplines” escapes me, because it appears as though very little discipline is very often shown.

[jessduntno]

[WondrousCreation]

From the desperation being shown by the Darwin idolaters, it appears that this "fossil find" is a last-ditch effort to prop up their dying religion of evolutionary scientism.

All their other evidence has fallen like a house of cards - then they throw in this "Piltdown lemur" to try start the evo craze anew, and it's totally backfired on them! Obviously, the intense ruckus is afoot because they know, without this fossil, there's nothing else left to prop up their theory, and hence no way to justify their loose morals in their godless fantasy world.

We indeed live in a privileged time, to be witnessing what looks like the final collapse of Darwin's demonic philosophy! When the evo bandwagon is finally capsized, and science can again be pursued according to the will of our Creator, we might finally again see real scientific progress again, as opposed to the secular stagnation of the last century.

[WondrousCreation]

In the meantime, you are free to continue pooring milk over your Darwin idols.

LOL! I have to admit, I still laugh every time I see that picture of the Darwin statue. It fits the evos so well! If only you could actually find one with milk being poored on it...

[alstewartfan]

Is Ida waiting behind the curtain, Jess? lol Bob

[Misterioso]

GGG’s comment nowhere near represents the findings of this survey. All religion is superstition, by definition, meaning a belief in the supernatural. Atheism, by definition, eschews belief in the supernatural. But only an atheist can grasp that.

[tacticalogic]

translation: "Can us evos bury this obvious embarassment as soon as possible"?

That's the hype. How long can you keep it up?

[freedumb2003]

>>A recent study came out that shows that Evo-atheists are far more likely than Bible-believing Christians to believe in everything from astrology, to big foot, to little green men on Mars.<<

Did you know that 87.5% of all statistics and studies posted on internet boards are pulled out of the poster’s butt?

[Jeff Gordon]

As I said....So predictable.

[tpanther]

That's the hype. How long can you keep it up?

Until you're a puddle on the kitchen floor.

[jessduntno]

But only an atheist can grasp that.

An atheist belongs over at the DU. Where he can grasp plenty of bullshit.

[DoctorMichael]

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[Misterioso]

Is this your announcement that only Christians are permitted on Free Republic? Has this been cleared with Jim?

[tacticalogic]

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