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How to Deprogram a Liberal in One Year Or Less
American Thinker ^ | May 21, 2009 | Robin of Berkley

Posted on 05/21/2009 10:30:22 AM PDT by MtnClimber

Edited on 05/21/2009 5:19:54 PM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

So what do you do when you realize that everything you've ever thought and believed no longer worked for you? Where do you go when the bubble of progressive politics bursts in your face and you're left in the leftist place on earth? It seems that the choices are as follows: either you cling to your beliefs even more zealously and attack anyone who dares to disagree. Or, if you're like me, you embark on a journey of discovery and recovery.

I wrote another piece recently for American Thinker, a letter of amends to conservatives. In it I described why I transformed from a Berkeley leftist to a talk radio loving conservative the last 1 1/2 years. I realized the Democratic Party wasn't what I thought, that it had mutated into something mean and rough, and that I had probably been living in a fantasy world all along.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: liberal
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To: sickoflibs

If Obama doesn’t hate America, why does he associate with people who are brazen about their disdain for this country? Not all my friends are gung-ho conservatives, but they certainly don’t hate this country.


81 posted on 05/22/2009 1:17:26 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: nathanbedford

But wouldn’t you consider tax cuts at the core of conservative economic philosophy?


82 posted on 05/22/2009 1:21:01 PM PDT by conservativebuckeye
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To: conservativebuckeye
Absolutely.

They promote private enterprise.

They starve government.


83 posted on 05/22/2009 1:23:28 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: conservativebuckeye

“corer” is the right to private property, from which the idea of low taxes extends.


84 posted on 05/22/2009 1:24:07 PM PDT by MrB (Go Galt now, Bowman later)
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To: sickoflibs
You read about it more now because of the crash.

You got that right, the crash pinched the banks' revenue, and not just from credit card holders. Some of the banks (IMO some were worse than others) massively increased abusive credit card practices to make up for the losses.

Will they really drive GOOD credit risks to competitors ?? Who would you want to lend money to? Someone who cant keep a job at 20% APR or someone who pays all his bills every month on time and has a house?

One would think that the credit card companies would adopt rational policies, but that is not always the case. For example, some of them made punitive adjustments to cardholders because they shopped at Walmart. I would think that would be a sign of cardholders' sound money management.

Let's see whether they stick new fees (or penalties not covered by the bill) on good faith cardholders. If they don't, you will be right. I'm just saying they might do that.

Back to the point. Should Republicans push popular and just causes, even when the plutocrat lobbies tell them not to? I say hell yes! However, most of them want the campaign help from those lobbies.

85 posted on 05/22/2009 1:34:19 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: nathanbedford
They starve government.

Unless the government borrows the money. I think tax cuts plus control of spending is more like it. However, the more debt we accumulate, the harder it is to control anything.

86 posted on 05/22/2009 1:38:24 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :” One would think that the credit card companies would adopt rational policies, but that is not always the case.

I was thinking competition. What may seem rational short term is irrational short term . They didnt get rid of fees because they love us.

RE “ For example, some of them made punitive adjustments to cardholders because they shopped at Walmart. I would think that would be a sign of cardholders’ sound money management.

Do you have a link to this? I shop at Walmarts too and use my credit card for everything (another warning flag the TV said was bad) and my credit rating is in the top 90%. How would anyone know this?

87 posted on 05/22/2009 1:43:55 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

What may seem rational short termcan be irrational long term .


88 posted on 05/22/2009 1:45:06 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Unless the government borrows the money. I think tax cuts plus control of spending is more like it. However, the more debt we accumulate, the harder it is to control anything.

When the borrowing approaches $11 trillion one has to ask if the purpose is in fact to spin things out of control?


89 posted on 05/22/2009 1:48:43 PM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
When the borrowing approaches $11 trillion one has to ask if the purpose is in fact to spin things out of control?

Yes. To see if an action makes sense, you have to know the motive.

90 posted on 05/22/2009 2:01:32 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs
Do you have a link to this? I shop at Walmarts too and use my credit card for everything (another warning flag the TV said was bad)

I can't remember where I got that info. Maybe it was more like "stores like Walmart."

and my credit rating is in the top 90%.

It's not your credit rating, which is likely to be one factor in credit card policies. The story I heard was that they raised interest on some credit cards when the account holder changed shopping habits (e. g. started shopping at a discount store).

91 posted on 05/22/2009 2:13:21 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: MtnClimber

Only death will deprogram a liberal. Just see Jimmy Carter or Ted Turner as examples.


92 posted on 05/22/2009 2:14:20 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Right wing military retiree. Proudly on DHLS hit list!!!!!)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
RE :”It's not your credit rating, which is likely to be one factor in credit card policies. The story I heard was that they raised interest on some credit cards when the account holder changed shopping habits (e. g. started shopping at a discount store).

I thought you might mean that. Anything is possible and they can still do this to any new debt with this bill. moral: “Dont use your credit card if you dont have money already”. I think you originally used this as an example of what they might do to you and me. They can raise mine to 50% as much as I care, even if they got rid of grace period I would use my bank debit card for a month, then call them up and ask if they and ‘miss’ my monthly purchases and if they want them back.

Honestly, I was late on payment and called them up and simply asked them to remove the interest+late payment fee and they said ‘no problem’.They make a fortune on me and I pay no interest and they pay me points.

Yes if you have a 7K balance and make the minimum payment you are not going to be treated like a king.

93 posted on 05/22/2009 2:25:48 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas
Here it is:

NYT link: Kevin D. Johnson, a 29-year-old Atlanta resident who runs a marketing and communications firm, received a letter from American Express last October saying that his credit limit was being lowered. One reason was that other customers who had used their cards at places where he had shopped were late in paying their bills.

94 posted on 05/22/2009 2:36:42 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs
Oops, replied to wrong post.

NYT link: Kevin D. Johnson, a 29-year-old Atlanta resident who runs a marketing and communications firm, received a letter from American Express last October saying that his credit limit was being lowered. One reason was that other customers who had used their cards at places where he had shopped were late in paying their bills.

95 posted on 05/22/2009 2:43:56 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs

The link above says that AMEX doesn’t do that now. Well, maybe. How do we know? The point is that banks have a lot of tricks, and some of them may not be in the banks’ self interest, let alone consumers.


96 posted on 05/22/2009 2:57:11 PM PDT by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (Obama's multi- trillion dollar agenda would be a "man caused disaster")
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To: sickoflibs

Interesting I’ve never heard that before.

One of these days will need a tax cut without increased spending to observe it’s effects on revenue.


97 posted on 05/22/2009 4:48:56 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: sickoflibs

Megan McCain is a RINO, not a conservative of *ANY* stripe.

Quit trying to tar and feather conservatives for the actions of liberals.

Huckabee’s another example of a tax-n-spend liberal cloaking himself within the Republican party.


98 posted on 05/22/2009 5:43:29 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: sickoflibs
Here's a example of a simple unprovable liberal narrative repeated nightly on MSNBC:“Cheney instructed the CIA to break the law and constitution on torture because he is a sadist that loves invading countries and torturing innocent Muslims (and us too!)”

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D@*n! I knew there was a reason why I like Cheney!

99 posted on 05/22/2009 5:46:26 PM PDT by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: gogogodzilla

RE “Quit trying to tar and feather conservatives for the actions of liberals.”

Read it again, I said that’s what they call themselves.


100 posted on 05/22/2009 6:36:03 PM PDT by sickoflibs (Obama /Pelosi/Bush Theme : "A dollar borrowed or printed is a dollar earned!")
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