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SCAR Goes To War
Strategy Page ^ | 5/13/2009 | Strategy Page

Posted on 05/13/2009 7:19:28 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie

Two years after completing field testing, the new American assault rifle, SCAR, has been issued to a battalion of U.S. Army Rangers, who are headed for Afghanistan. SCAR (Special operations forces Combat Assault Rifle) was a SOCOM (Special Operations Command) effort to develop a new assault rifle that had some of the characteristics of the (now abandoned) U.S. Army XM-8 rifle. SOCOM had the money, and authority to develop their own weapons. And SCAR is mainly for use by SOCOM troops.

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SOCOM wanted a weapon that did everything the XM-8 did, and a little more. Back in 2003, SOCOM asked rifle manufacturers to submit proposals, and FN (a Belgian firm) came up with the best ideas. One advantage FN has was its ability to quickly implement requests for design changes. FN’s rapid prototyping shop was often able to turn out a new part in hours. This, and FNs long history of good weapons design, gave them the edge. SCAR has a more reliable short-stroke, gas piston operating system, and a floating barrel for better accuracy, plus several other improvements over the current M-4/M-16.

There are two basic models of the weapon. The 5.56mm SCAR-L weighs 7.7 pounds (empty), while the 7.62mm SCAR-H weighs 8.5 pounds (empty). A 30 round 5.56mm magazine weighs a little under a pound, while a 20 round magazine of 7.62mm ammo weighs a little over a pound. Special sights can weigh a pound or two, so a fully loaded SCAR won't weigh much more than ten pounds. FN also came up with a grenade launcher for SCAR.

Both models operate the same way, and have many interchangeable parts. SCAR-L is basically a replacement for the M4, which was designed (with a shorter barrel) as a “close combat” version of the M16. The SCAR-H will replace the M14, a 1950s era 7.62mm weapon (a replacement for the World War II M1) that is still favored for long range and sniper work. The SCAR design is the result of much feedback from the field. For example, the rate of fire was lowered to 600 RPM (rounds per minute) from the 800 typical with the M14 and M16. This makes SCAR easier to hold on target when firing full auto.

SCAR-H can be quickly converted to fire AK-47 ammo (the 7.62x39 round) with a change out of the barrel and receiver. Both models can be fitted with a longer and heavier sniper barrel. Thus this ability to quickly change the barrel length enables the SOCOM to equip their troops with the specific weapon they need. SCAR is also built to be more rugged than the M-16. The barrel is good for some 36,000 rounds, twice as many as the M-16. Barrels may be switched by users without special tools. Both models of SCAR take all the special sights and other accessories SOCOM troops favor. SCAR is meant to be easily modified and personalized for each user. It’s expected that SOCOM experience with SCAR will influence the next generation of U.S. Army and Marine Corps small arms.


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1 posted on 05/13/2009 7:19:28 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

If I had an extra $5000 sitting around, I’d def. own this baby!

SOOOOOOOOOOO SWEET!


2 posted on 05/13/2009 7:21:39 AM PDT by adm5 (YOU CANNOT FIX CAPITALISM WITH SOCIALISM! -Glenn Beck)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

3 posted on 05/13/2009 7:22:14 AM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Me love long time.


4 posted on 05/13/2009 7:26:45 AM PDT by Niteranger68 (I am an extremist that was created by Butch Napolitano.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Finally something decent to replace that shytpiece AR?


5 posted on 05/13/2009 7:29:30 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

they need to stop with the anemic 5.56 varmit load crap.(the 6.5 and 6.8 in the same size platform makes more sense)

I would take one in 7.62, but I will stick with an M1A1 in that caliber, I like a wood stock.


6 posted on 05/13/2009 7:30:30 AM PDT by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
I want one ... or two ... or three ... or four ....!

It will be interesting to see how they hold up under real world/combat conditions.

Rangers Lead the Way, Sir!

7 posted on 05/13/2009 7:32:28 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( Don't mess with the mockingbird! /\/\ http://tiny.cc/freepthis)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Both models can be fitted with a longer and heavier sniper barrel. Thus this ability to quickly change the barrel length enables the SOCOM to equip their troops with the specific weapon they need.

I'd be impressed if ANY quick-change barrel resulted in an rifle accurate enough for long range work.

Maybe they've got the technology down, though - shrug -.

8 posted on 05/13/2009 7:33:00 AM PDT by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
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To: Vaquero

The 6.8 is the way to go, and it’s battle tested.

For a rifle that size, you cant beat it for sheer knockdown and stomp em power.


9 posted on 05/13/2009 7:35:46 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous ( I think you're so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie
Back in 2003, SOCOM asked rifle manufacturers to submit proposals, and FN (a Belgian firm) came up with the best ideas. One advantage FN has was its ability to quickly implement requests for design changes. FN’s rapid prototyping shop was often able to turn out a new part in hours...

Not Made in the USA? Oh well, the UAW would probably have killed it if GM would have had the winning design anyways.

10 posted on 05/13/2009 7:37:10 AM PDT by McGruff (Transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency - Barack Obama)
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To: smokingfrog
Try this.

Extreme Dust testing.

11 posted on 05/13/2009 7:39:24 AM PDT by Pistolshot (The Soap-box, The Ballot-box, The Jury-box, And The Cartridge-Box ...we are past 2 of them.)
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To: Seruzawa
Finally something decent to replace that shytpiece AR?

Riiiiiiiiiight, because no enemies of democracy have *ever* fallen to the M16 / M4.

12 posted on 05/13/2009 7:39:29 AM PDT by Terabitten (Vets wrote a blank check, payable to the Constitution, for an amount up to and including their life.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I do believe these carbines/rifles were introduced to Special Forces soldiers around January 2008. The design is brilliant as units can specialize their weapons for the job they are doing because most of the parts can be switched out.


13 posted on 05/13/2009 7:40:45 AM PDT by 2nd_Amendment_Defender ("It is when people forget God that tyrants forge their chains." -- Patrick Henry)
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To: smokingfrog

If FN makes them, then I am sure they would hold up quite well. Better than the plastic toys built by Mattel LOL!!!


14 posted on 05/13/2009 7:43:06 AM PDT by Nat Turner (Proud two term solider in the 2nd Infantry Div 84-85; 91-92)
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To: Nat Turner

FN also make the M4s. Anyway I soldiered with a Colt model
and found it perfectly adequate. plastic is fine as long as you aren’t planning on using the vertical buttstroke feature.


15 posted on 05/13/2009 7:46:32 AM PDT by rahbert
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; All
what are the "drawbacks" of the "Bullpup" design?
...would that make it smaller / robust.
16 posted on 05/13/2009 7:51:25 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (When you put Democrats in charge, stupid / deadly things happen... :^)
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To: Terabitten

LOL! Real logical response there.


17 posted on 05/13/2009 7:53:18 AM PDT by Seruzawa (Obamalama lied, the republic died.)
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To: Vaquero
What is with the hold-up on the caliber switch? The 6.8 and the 6.5 being tested apparently both offer an advantage over the NATO 7.62, namely better long range performance, and more rounds per pound.

The 5.56 varmint stomper has come a long way though, and is very accurate now out to 5-600 meters in the new rifles. Problem is the little pill sometimes don't hurt real bad people real good. All too often, they can still shoot back after a 5.56 hit or two, instead of lying there like good little Muslims.

OTOH, changing calibers is one long and expensive PIA. And exactly how many caliber switcheroo kits is a grunt supposed to carry, anyway?

18 posted on 05/13/2009 7:59:43 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Election of 2008: Given the choice between stupid and evil, the stupid chose evil.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

The better to kill you with, my dear.


19 posted on 05/13/2009 8:01:14 AM PDT by ichabod1 (I am rolling over in my grave and I am not even dead yet (GOP Poet))
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To: All

That SCAR is a fascinating rifle. Everyone whose used them likes them.

So, logically, Barry will try and cancel them.

Id like one in 6.8 SPC..that would almost be a perfect caliber for the size and weight.


20 posted on 05/13/2009 8:01:16 AM PDT by Armedanddangerous ( I think you're so full of inconsolable rage you don't care who you hurt)
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