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So, if the police are free to attach a GPS device to my car without my permission and without a warrant, am I free to remove it from my property and throw it down a storm drain?
1 posted on 05/10/2009 7:57:22 AM PDT by mtrott
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It’s the government employees we need to be tracking.


2 posted on 05/10/2009 8:00:35 AM PDT by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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I’m no lawyer but I’d wager that this would be struck down by the Federal courts.


3 posted on 05/10/2009 8:00:37 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Christian+Veteran=Terrorist)
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If u can find it


4 posted on 05/10/2009 8:01:49 AM PDT by tiger-one (The night has a thousand eyes)
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I hear rare earth magnets really enhance the functionality of these GPS devices. You may want to help out by placing a few around the casing of the device.


5 posted on 05/10/2009 8:02:23 AM PDT by Renderofveils (My loathings are simple: stupidity, oppression, crime, cruelty, soft music. - Nabokov)
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—not if the “Denver Boot” precedent holds—that being a case where a chap with a welding truck which had been “booted” cut it off with his handy torch and was prosecuted for something of the sort of “ destruction of public property”——


6 posted on 05/10/2009 8:02:47 AM PDT by rellimpank (--don't believe anything the MSM tells you about firearms or explosives--NRA Benefactor)
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police can mount GPS on cars to track people without violating their constitutional rights -- even if the drivers aren't suspects.

This is disturbing.....

7 posted on 05/10/2009 8:03:12 AM PDT by SteamShovel (When hope trumps reality, there is no hope at all.)
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Can private citizens put GPS on patol cars so they know where the speed traps are? Only seems fair.


8 posted on 05/10/2009 8:03:28 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW
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EZPass records can be obtained by subpoena and used in court.

Article.

9 posted on 05/10/2009 8:03:57 AM PDT by Steely Tom (RKBA: last line of defense against vote fraud)
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Rather than wasting a great device by throwing it down a storm drain take it out to the truck stop and send it on a trip like, a message in a bottle.


10 posted on 05/10/2009 8:04:25 AM PDT by pompelmous (Unintended consequences)
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Hmm. If the police can do this, even though you’re not a suspect, can your insurance company also do it?


11 posted on 05/10/2009 8:05:43 AM PDT by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (It's all resistance...and it's all good.)
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Many states are now tracking registered sex offenders with GPS "bracelets" and this is done arbitrarily, ex post facto, and without due process of law. On that precedent, this practice will stand. Strike it down, and the other will go.

It's your choice: continue and advance the police state or not? Just remember, you'll feel safer in the police state.

America -- a great idea, didn't last.

12 posted on 05/10/2009 8:06:52 AM PDT by Clint Williams (Read Roto-Reuters -- we're the spinmeisters | America -- a great idea, didn't last.)
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Officers do not need to get warrants beforehand because GPS tracking does not involve a search or a seizure, <<

Sounds to me, like a "search" of where you've been....Plus a "seizure" of your right to privacy

13 posted on 05/10/2009 8:07:26 AM PDT by M-cubed (Why is "Greshams Law" a law?)
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But wiretapping terrorists is an outrage.


14 posted on 05/10/2009 8:07:28 AM PDT by Mad_Tom_Rackham (What did Obama's Teleprompter know, and when did it know it...)
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Wiretaps don’t involve search and seizure either, but warrants are necessary. Look for this to be challenged all the way to the Supreme Court....


15 posted on 05/10/2009 8:07:40 AM PDT by freebilly
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Put it on a police car’s rear bumper then call the bomb squad.


17 posted on 05/10/2009 8:07:54 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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Yes!!!


18 posted on 05/10/2009 8:08:28 AM PDT by org.whodat (Auto unions bad: Machinists union good=Hypocrisy)
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So, if the police are free to attach a GPS device to my car without my permission and without a warrant, am I free to remove it from my property and throw it down a storm drain?

If I saw an unknown device attached to my car, I'd probably keep people back from the area, and call 9-1-1 and the state or federal Terrorist Tip Line about the suspected explosive device on my car. Maybe they'd evacuate the area....I hope not too many people would be inconvenienced.

My identity is known to those who have committed violent crimes in the past and might consider me someone to eliminate; a business colleague was once the victim of arson while he was in his house asleep, based on his political views (similar to mine). If it turned out to just be a police GPS, then there would be attention drawn to this issue.

I can understand the claim that this is no different from tailing a suspect or non-suspect, but the abuse potential is great. I think this oversteps the bounds.

29 posted on 05/10/2009 8:13:09 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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“The tracking did not violate constitutional protections because the device only gave police information that could have been obtained through visual surveillance, Lundsten wrote.”

Uh huh. Now THAT my friends is some ivory tower judiciating. Let’s pretend they were going to follow him 24 hours a day for five weeks, filming it the whole time, he’d never catch on, overtime is free, and they have at least three cars and either three or six officers available just for him. And as many as they need for any arbitrary number of people they might want to follow at the same time.


31 posted on 05/10/2009 8:14:05 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll residents are either lying or insane)
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So, if the police are free to attach a GPS device to my car without my permission and without a warrant, am I free to remove it from my property and throw it down a storm drain?

At least be creative here. Mount it on someone's car that you do not like or maybe put it on a collar on a stray cat.............

37 posted on 05/10/2009 8:22:44 AM PDT by umgud (Look to gov't to solve your everday problems and they'll control your everday life.)
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this is a two way street then (excuse the pun) - Our police chief in a nearby town is thought to be corrupt....a gps attached to his car is fair game then


38 posted on 05/10/2009 8:23:32 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (How many 100's of 1000's of our servicemen died so we would never bow to a king?" -freeper pnh102)
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