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Hoping Obama's place of birth truly was in Hawaii
The Victoria Advocate ^ | May 5, 2009 | Peter Aparicio

Posted on 05/06/2009 7:47:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

I hope I am proven wrong.

I hope for the sake of our country that I and many other concerned citizens across the country are looked upon as well-intentioned but ultimately misguided individuals who chased a bad rumor based on lies and distortions.

The reason I hope to be thought wrong (although well-intentioned) is because the price of being right about the constitutional requirements to be president not being met by the current occupant of the Oval Office is too disturbing to be imagined.

If, in fact, Barack Obama does not meet the requirements set out by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, Section I, it would throw this country into a constitutional crisis. Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden. The harrowing part of this taking place is that every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid.

Full-moon time? I know, I know; I sound like a raving lunatic. So where do I draw my conclusions that this is even a valid issue to entertain?

Let's review what's been accepted as "fact" by the mainstream press and the vast majority of Americans: Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, and Barack Obama Sr., 25.

Now let's look at some of the questions challenging these accepted "facts":

Concerned citizens across the United States since well before the November election have questioned Barack Obama's "natural born" qualification for the presidency. From sea to shining sea, at least 18 lawsuits with plaintiffs including a former presidential candidate, a former deputy attorney general, state legislators and retired and active duty members of the military, are attempting to compel him to verify his citizenship.

Candidate Obama's own Web site, fightthesmears.com, posted a "Certification of Live Birth," which, according to the Web site, proves that Obama is in fact a natural born U.S. citizen. What the Web site won't tell you, however, is that a "Certification of Live Birth" is not a birth certificate, and that at the time, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign-born children of U.S. citizens (Stanley Ann Dunham) to have their births registered with this document based on a statement of only one relative. The obvious question must be asked: If Obama has an original "long form" birth certificate issued on the day of his birth by the state of Hawaii, why would he also have a "Certification of Live Birth"? It would not be necessary. Critics have called upon President Obama to just give the state of Hawaii his permission to release his original "long form" birth certificate. The "long form" birth certificate would include all the pertinent information about his birth: name of the hospital, name and signature of the attending physician and a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department. This simple action by President Obama would immediately end all speculation about his citizenship and the reasons for the various lawsuits. Instead, President Obama is spending time and money hiring lawyers to fight these lawsuits. Why?

Why doesn't the mainstream press cover these lawsuits? I mean, in 2004, Dan Rather did a bang up job covering something a lot less important. Rather had "authentic" memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record. Yet there are some legitimate questions about the constitutional eligibility of our president, and yet not one single major press outlet is covering it. Part of the reason is that this issue has supposedly settled by the independent authority on Obama's birth certificate, FactCheck.org. Yet on their Web site, FactCheck.org states:

"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."

So the independent authority on this question has admitted that they have not seen the original long-form birth certificate. And the questions remain.

I sincerely hope that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1961 and therefore meets the constitutional requirements to be president. If not, our Constitution must be followed and procedures put in place for future elections wherein all candidates on the ballot must prove they meet the requirements set forth by the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution.

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Peter Aparicio is a resident of Victoria and a government teacher at Memorial High School.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Hawaii
KEYWORDS: akaobama; bho2009; bho44; biden; birthcertificate; bo; certifigate; choomgang; colb; constitution; foreignborn; hawaii; illegitmate; kenya; obama; obamatruthfile; unconstitutional; usurper
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To: LUV W

Not lame. I appreciate the good company.


61 posted on 05/06/2009 8:34:32 PM PDT by unkus
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To: LUV W

theOne does not have the same bone structure of his supposed father, but look at the mouth on davis and theOne....looks more like him then his supposed real father.

ok, I will remove my tin foil hat now and go back to being a gun clinging religious nut now.......


62 posted on 05/06/2009 8:35:02 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Cincinna

“”He may be evil, but he is not stupid.””

we know that ‘cause he was tired or teleprompter wasn’t keepin’ up...


63 posted on 05/06/2009 8:36:01 PM PDT by Voter62vb
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To: unkus

Thanks! :D


64 posted on 05/06/2009 8:36:27 PM PDT by luvie (Zero is dumb as a rock (dangerously so))
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To: MHGinTN

Not sure. You’re assuming the people there today will act exactly like the people there under Clinton. I don’t know if that’s a safe assumption to make.


65 posted on 05/06/2009 8:37:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A detroit radio station called the Kenyan embassy after the election of Obama. After a a few minutes they get through to the ambassador of Kenya.

The ambassador of Kenya says that obama was born in Kenya and that his birth place has become a national shrine.

Listen to the recording here

The quote is around 12:35, so if you don’t have time to listen to the whole thing, you can jump ahead.
The transcript reads:

Radio Jockey: President elect Obama's birth place over in Kenya -- is that going to be a national spot where he was born

Ambassador Peter Ogego: its already an attraction. his paternal grandmother is still alive

Radio Jockey:But his birth place...they'll put up a marker there

Ambassdor Peter Ogego: It would depend on the government. Its already well known.

Here is an abridged Utube version of the the radio interview. So you can hear just the relevant parts.

It can be reasonably pointed out that the DJ was trying to entrap the Ambassador and that the Ambassador fell into his trap.
However, if you listen to the long version of the radio interview --you’ll notice he used the same strategy on two different occasions and the ambassador gently brushed him off.

First, he tried to force the ambassador to sing the Kenyan national anthem. The ambassador referred him to the kenyan website.

Second he tried to push the ambassador into saying something about maybe Kenya becoming the 51st state. Again the ambassador said that Kenya was a sovereign country. ie No.

He used the same technique on the question of Obama’s birth place. This time the ambassador did not brush him off. Rather in answer to the question as to whether Obama was born in Kenya --he says "It is well known."

Because the ambassador answered no in the two previous examples -- you can't say that the ambassdor was either a fool or ill advised.

Finally, you might ask well doesn't he know that saying Obama is born in Kenya would make trouble for Obama? The answer there is why should he be concerned? He has heard no suggestion in the mainstream media that there might be a problem there. So to say what is already well known--as he says--would be no problem.

Here is a utube video of Ambassador Peter Ogego speaking at a conference. Ambassador of Kenya H.E. Peter Ogego To verify that the voice on the radio is Ambassador Ogego-- compare the radio voice with the DJ to the voice on the Utube that goes with Ambassador Ogego. Ambassador Peter Ogego is introduced a bit after minute 18..

They are the same.


Subsequently, the Kenyan ambassador said that he meant Obama's father was born in Kenya. However, when pressed about Obama's birth place:

"I don't know," he said with a tone of irritation. "You should ask your government. I know his father is Kenyan."

However, that's not what the original transcript suggests. clear="all" /> Finally, there is a Affidavit of Bishop Ron McRae which is part of the Berg case. The Bishop says pretty much the same thing as the Ambassador.

"Additionally, it is common knowledge throughout both the Christian and Muslim communities in Kenya, that contrary to news media propaganda here in the United States, US Senator Barack Obama is a Muslim and not a Christian, and that he was born in Mombasa, Kenya and not in the State of Hawaii as falsely purported by the Obama campaign for presidency of the United States."

While you cannot impeach the ambassador's character, you can impeach McCrae's character. After all, he's just an itinerant preacher. But McCrae has been to Kenya. Still that makes two people who say that it is common knowledge in Kenya that Obama was born in Kenya.
Then of course there is a video of Obama's grandmother saying that Obama is born in in her village in Kenya
There is a case to be made that Obama mother didn't mean Obama was born in her town but rather that he is a "son of this village". If taken alone, she could well be ignored. However, her take is in keeping with others both high and low.

Again here is a pdf transcript of Kenyan National Assembly on Nov 5, 2008, the day after Obama was elected. Over and over again there are references to Obama being a "son of the soil" of Kenya and a Kenyan. On page page 3275 there is this passage:

HOUSE SHOULD ADJOURN TO DISCUSS ELECTION OF MR. BARRACK OBAMA

Ms. Odhiambo: On a point of order, Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir. It is not on this issue. I stand on a point of order under Standing Order No.20 to seek leave for adjournment of the House to discuss the American presidential election results.

(Applause)

Mr. Deputy Speaker, Sir, the President-elect, Mr. Obama, is a son of the soil of this country. Every other country in this continent is celebrating the Obama win. It is only proper and fitting that the country which he originates from should show the same excitement, pomp and colour.



Again. It is not the one thing. Rather it is the tide.

The American Thinker explains here why the short form that Obama released is not sufficient for Hawaii. The Obama administration could put this to rest by releasing his long form birth certificate. But he doesn't. Instead of just releasing his long form birth certificate he has paid his lawyers over 1 million dollars from campaign contributions since Sept 08 to squash the suits brought on the issue. Why bother. The Arnold would have run for president long ago and likely won if he were a "natural born" american. He's not. He's naturalized. So he can't run. And he knows it. (though there were some trial balloons sent up a couple years back about changing the law--that went nowhere.)

Like the Arnold, Obama looks to be a naturalized citizen--but maybe he's not even that.
66 posted on 05/06/2009 8:37:12 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: AndyTheBear

To the committed left, the Constitution is a cheap whore.
_______________________________________

To them....it was written by a bunch of old, dead, white guys. It’s irrelevant.


67 posted on 05/06/2009 8:37:19 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear (Obama. Clear and Pres__ent Danger.)
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To: tioga

I did see more of a resemblance to Davis, yes. Interesting
theory. I hope some day we’ll find out the truth. Not holding
my breath on that one,though!


68 posted on 05/06/2009 8:38:21 PM PDT by luvie (Zero is dumb as a rock (dangerously so))
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To: atomicweeder

that’s the other reasonable explanation


69 posted on 05/06/2009 8:39:03 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Venturer

Spending tax payer’s money is no big deal to Oops....Look at what he spent on Scare Force One.


70 posted on 05/06/2009 8:39:11 PM PDT by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: warsaw44
Tow things to note in the below release: it doesn't say Lingle actually saw the essence of material being held in the vault, and it does emphasize that the material is not seal by the governor, nor is it being handled any differently than all other such docuemtns in the HI vaults. For Immediate Release: October 31, 2008 08-93
STATEMENT BY DR. CHIYOME FUKINO

“There have been numerous requests for Sen. Barack Hussein Obama’s official birth certificate. State law (Hawai‘i Revised Statutes §338-18) prohibits the release of a certified birth certificate to persons who do not have a tangible interest in the vital record.
“Therefore, I as Director of Health for the State of Hawai‘i, along with the Registrar of Vital Statistics who has statutory authority to oversee and maintain these type of vital records, have personally seen and verified that the Hawai‘i State Department of Health has Sen. Obama’s original birth certificate on record in accordance with state policies and procedures.
“No state official, including Governor Linda Lingle, has ever instructed that this vital record be handled in a manner different from any other vital record in the possession of the State of Hawai‘i.”
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For more information, contact: Janice Okubo http://hawaii.gov/health/about/pr/2008/08-93.pdf

71 posted on 05/06/2009 8:39:24 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: MHGinTN

“do you think the CIA would do their best to produce the forgery the affirmative action potus figure would need to stop the conflict between orders and authority?”

If you think the CIA has any love for Obama, your situational awareness has been taking a nap. No, I’m afraid there no more love left for Obama at the CIA. Do a little review on recent events and I think you’ll agree (but maybe not).


72 posted on 05/06/2009 8:40:35 PM PDT by Habibi ("We gladly feast on those who would subdue us". Not just pretty words........)
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To: tioga

I think its quite plausable that the O’s father is Frank Marshall. I don’t see why its such a big deal however, that he doesn’t show that.


73 posted on 05/06/2009 8:41:45 PM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: Habibi

They don’t have to even respect him as potus to do what will garner them more influence and leverage. Think about it ... when they produce the materials, they have him by the proverbial balls, son.


74 posted on 05/06/2009 8:43:46 PM PDT by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: LUV W

Frank Marshall Davis was a well known black American communist and sex pervert, circa ‘50s and 60’s. Google the name, follow the leads and you might even run across some nude photos of Stanley Anne, purportedly taken by Davis.


75 posted on 05/06/2009 8:45:12 PM PDT by Blado (''crush the bourgeoisie...grind them between the millstones of taxation and inflation'' - V.I. Lenin)
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To: Cincinna
Agreed.

Keep the Right chasing this and he can brand us all as kooks and the MSM will go along without hesitation.

Meanwhile, the Feds (under the President's watch) will own 2 of the big 3 automakers along with scores of banks. The newspapers may not be far behind.

I will also agree that it is highly irregular that we haven't seen the assorted documents that most of the former office holders have been more than proud to flaunt, but we will be castigated unless we can prove misguidance “beyond the shadow of a reasonable doubt.”

76 posted on 05/06/2009 8:46:40 PM PDT by GrouchoTex (...and ye shall know the Truth and the Truth shall set you free....)
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To: Cincinna
Obama’s mother really got around, if you get my drift, and travelled in the same circles as Malcolm X....possible?

Possible, not likely I think.

However I doubt we'll ever really know either, since absent a DNA test, all we can tell is that whoever the sperm donor was, he had at least some African genes. IMHO, Barry looks like his maternal grandfather, with a heck of a suntan, slightly fuller lips and broader nose. Even his hairline is that of Stanley Ann's father.

77 posted on 05/06/2009 8:48:10 PM PDT by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: atomicweeder

“The reason that Obama is hiding his birth certificate is that he is son of Frank Marshall Davis.”

No question about it.


78 posted on 05/06/2009 8:49:57 PM PDT by Swede Girl
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To: ckilmer

he wrote the book......”dreams of my father”.......he can’t backpeddle now. he’s trapped.


79 posted on 05/06/2009 8:50:08 PM PDT by tioga
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To: Blado

That makes two of us — son of the Communist would not play well after all this time declaring his father was Kenyan.


80 posted on 05/06/2009 8:52:48 PM PDT by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Mary Fallin for OK Governor in 2010!)
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