Posted on 05/06/2009 7:47:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
I hope I am proven wrong.
I hope for the sake of our country that I and many other concerned citizens across the country are looked upon as well-intentioned but ultimately misguided individuals who chased a bad rumor based on lies and distortions.
The reason I hope to be thought wrong (although well-intentioned) is because the price of being right about the constitutional requirements to be president not being met by the current occupant of the Oval Office is too disturbing to be imagined.
If, in fact, Barack Obama does not meet the requirements set out by the U.S. Constitution in Article II, Section I, it would throw this country into a constitutional crisis. Vice President Joe Biden would, obviously, become President Biden. The harrowing part of this taking place is that every appointment made, every piece of legislation signed, and every executive order issued by Barack Obama could, and should, be considered invalid.
Full-moon time? I know, I know; I sound like a raving lunatic. So where do I draw my conclusions that this is even a valid issue to entertain?
Let's review what's been accepted as "fact" by the mainstream press and the vast majority of Americans: Barack Hussein Obama was born on August 4, 1961 in Honolulu, Hawaii, to Stanley Ann Dunham, 18, and Barack Obama Sr., 25.
Now let's look at some of the questions challenging these accepted "facts":
Concerned citizens across the United States since well before the November election have questioned Barack Obama's "natural born" qualification for the presidency. From sea to shining sea, at least 18 lawsuits with plaintiffs including a former presidential candidate, a former deputy attorney general, state legislators and retired and active duty members of the military, are attempting to compel him to verify his citizenship.
Candidate Obama's own Web site, fightthesmears.com, posted a "Certification of Live Birth," which, according to the Web site, proves that Obama is in fact a natural born U.S. citizen. What the Web site won't tell you, however, is that a "Certification of Live Birth" is not a birth certificate, and that at the time, the state of Hawaii allowed foreign-born children of U.S. citizens (Stanley Ann Dunham) to have their births registered with this document based on a statement of only one relative. The obvious question must be asked: If Obama has an original "long form" birth certificate issued on the day of his birth by the state of Hawaii, why would he also have a "Certification of Live Birth"? It would not be necessary. Critics have called upon President Obama to just give the state of Hawaii his permission to release his original "long form" birth certificate. The "long form" birth certificate would include all the pertinent information about his birth: name of the hospital, name and signature of the attending physician and a seal of the Hawaiian Health Department. This simple action by President Obama would immediately end all speculation about his citizenship and the reasons for the various lawsuits. Instead, President Obama is spending time and money hiring lawyers to fight these lawsuits. Why?
Why doesn't the mainstream press cover these lawsuits? I mean, in 2004, Dan Rather did a bang up job covering something a lot less important. Rather had "authentic" memos critical of President George W. Bush's Texas Air National Guard service record. Yet there are some legitimate questions about the constitutional eligibility of our president, and yet not one single major press outlet is covering it. Part of the reason is that this issue has supposedly settled by the independent authority on Obama's birth certificate, FactCheck.org. Yet on their Web site, FactCheck.org states:
"The document is a 'certification of birth,' also known as a short-form birth certificate. The long form is drawn up by the hospital and includes additional information such as birth weight and parents' hometowns. The Hawaii Department of Health's birth record request form does not give the option to request a photocopy of your long-form birth certificate. We tried to ask the Hawaii DOH why they only offer the short form, among other questions, but they have not given a response."
So the independent authority on this question has admitted that they have not seen the original long-form birth certificate. And the questions remain.
I sincerely hope that Barack Obama was born in Honolulu, Hawaii, in 1961 and therefore meets the constitutional requirements to be president. If not, our Constitution must be followed and procedures put in place for future elections wherein all candidates on the ballot must prove they meet the requirements set forth by the law of the land, the U.S. Constitution.
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Peter Aparicio is a resident of Victoria and a government teacher at Memorial High School.
If anything, the CIA will more than likely “leak” the birth certificate at a most inopportune time for 0bama.
This nation allowed this fraud to happen. They also need to face the music with it’s uncovering.
It's because those two books he allegedly wrote are an absolute lie, and with davis being his father it strengthens the ties he has to william ayers.
Why else would william ayers have any interest in an illegitimate son of a goat herder?
Who the heck is Frank Marshall Davis?
I guess I am out of the loop. :D
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Frank Marshall Davis is was a documented Communist and self admitted bisexual pedophile (via his autobio book)who was chosen to be Obama’s mentor (by his grandfather Dunham) from the age of nine to the age of eighteen when he went away to college.
Pure speculation. There is no provision in the Constitution for a "do-over" of a presidential election. No provision for the Supreme Court to unilaterally remove a president from office.
Doing so would be repugnant to the separation of powers, overruling in one stroke the other two branches of government, as the election was certified by Congress. It would also be an unprecedented usurpation of the powers of the states, which appointed the electors. It would exceed the worst recorded example of "judicial activism" by orders of magnitude.
I don't see any court formulating such a plan, and any justices that so ruled would be subject to impeachment by the House and trial by the Senate (a procedure that is in the Constitution).
The only constitutional means to remove a president form office is impeachment. In the event of impeachment, a presidential succession occurs as provided for by law, and the new president would have the authority to keep or rescind executive orders and ask Congress to repeal legislation.
Geeeeez, the thought of having Biden as President is enough to leave Obama alone.
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NO it is NOT!!!! I’ll take goofy over angry evil dictator wannabe with a narcissist mental illness any ole day.
Personally I would opt for "dumber than dirt" Biden in a heartbeat, over that pure unadulterated evil lying POS 0booooooombo any day of the week.
Our country will survive 4 years of Biden stupidity & gaffes....Heck it will even be amusing and we could form office pools anticipating where & when his next gaffes would take place. But I fear greatly for our country to even survive as a free or prosperous nation, if that bastard 0boooooombo continues as socialist-fascist-commie pig usurper-in-chief.
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Also, ‘Plugs’ is not a muzzie.
Those that can do, those that can’t teach!!!!
Those who can't teach, get a government job and regulate.
If anything, the CIA will more than likely “leak” the birth certificate at a most inopportune time for 0bama.
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I agree. He has pissed off the wrong people. CIA, UK, Chrysler, Wall Street, Banks, they will take him down sooner or later. Wait until he messes with the massive health care industry. He is so history. I give him until Fall of this year before he is exposed.
Honestly, I’d rather have Biden than Obama. Biden is an American, first of all. Also I don’t think he is totally down the river like O. I also don’t think he has the political “debts.”
No, I’d never vote for nor support him. But he’d be a step in the right direction IMO.
lol
You left out Texas and Israel.
You nailed it! I knew there was somebody he reminded me of,
IMO the worst ones to piss off is the CIA.
As far as Chrysler, little fraud barry has the UAW in his back pocket so that’s a non-issue.
But if we’re talking about Chrysler’s creditors that’s a different story, and they’re just now waking up to realize the gravity of their mistake in backing him in the first place.
My bet.
When a man hides his records he does so for a reason.
When a man hides his records he does so for a reason.
Biden would not be eligible to be seated as President - which many people here overlook.
He was selected by zer0bama as running mate. If zer0 was/is ineligible, then he did/does not have the legal standing to have made ANY choice thereof.
Biden is out. We will not like the next alternative.
Speaker of the House of Representatives, Nancy “Botox Queen” Pelosi...unless she is proven complicit in concealing information about 0bama
After her, is the President of the Senate, Pro Tempore
the “honourable” nonagenarian former Klansman, Robert Byrd.
{How would that be for irony - from a 6% black man to a 100% former KKK man?!}
Next in line?
Tough to say, since you would have to work your way through an array of Cabinet Secretaries, starting with Mrs. WIlliam J. Rodham-Clinton...
Except, since they are ALL zer0bama’s appointees, and his authority would be vacated...so then ALL of them would be automatically irrelevant - even SecDef Robert Gates, a holdover from the Bush administration.
A new election would be called for - or at least ought to be.
The Demos would almost certainly choose Hillary, as their second leading vote getter from the recorded primaries, and as one whose citizenship is not in question. Who would she choose as a running mate, though? Her husband? LOL!!
The GOP...might have to go McCain/Palin again, since McCain’s legitimacy is not in doubt (though his conservatism and popularity certainly are), but should they?
Would they be legally bound to the results of the 2008 GOP primaries in the event of such an unprecedented turn of circumstances?
More questions than answers so far.
AAC
No others exist. What you're waying is that there is, in the most literal sense, no law.
Our Head of State would be arrested as an impostor
By whom?
and physically removed, creating a situation that would need be resolved by an emergency session in the House of Representatives, selecting an interim president.
There is no such procedure in the Constitution, and there is no such thing as an interim president. You are simply making things up.
Appointments, executive orders and signed laws voided and Biden, as President of the Senate would be an shaky ground for succession. Succession would be decided in the House.
There is nothing shaky about the succession. It's in the straightforward black-letter law of the 25th amendment. There is no provision for the House to choose a president at any point except the lack of a majority in the Electoral College.
A Constitutional Crisis arises with a defective executive and a warring House and Senate and a muddled Supreme Court.
No constitutional crisis arises, because SCOTUS and Congress aren't stupid enough to force it to that point.
I really don't think you've thought through this scenario. The a priori assumption is that someone -- SCOTUS or someone else you haven't specified -- has the power to at a single stroke unseat a president and void every act of Congress for the last few months. Then this entity can simply make up new rules, declaring the vice president ineligible for no clearly articulated reason and appointing the House to choose a new president because ... well, I guess an American Idol style cell-phone vote wouldn't be dignified enough.
If any person or persons are able to exercise that sort of authority, then the Constitution is wholly void. Rioting in the streets isn't the issue -- those rioters will have as much claim to lawful authority as anyone else.
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