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The Founders on Homosexuality
Apologetics Press ^ | Dave Miller, Ph.D.

Posted on 05/02/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan

Of those living today in America who were alive 50 years ago, few could have imagined, let alone predicted, that homosexuality would encroach on our culture as it has. In fact, it would have been unthinkable. The rapidity with which homosexual activists continue successfully to bully the nation to normalize what once was universally considered abnormal is astonishing. And toleration has not satisfied them. Allowing their views to be taught in public schools has not appeased them. No, they insist that societal endorsement extend to redefining marriage to include same-sex couples.

A pernicious plague of sexual insanity is creeping insidiously through American civilization. Far more deadly than the external threat of terrorism, or even the inevitable dilution of traditional American values caused by the infiltration of illegal immigrants and the influx of those who do not share the Christian worldview, this domino effect will ultimately end in the moral implosion of America. Indeed, America is being held captive by moral terrorists. The social engineers of “political correctness” have been working overtime for decades to restructure public morality.

The Founding Fathers of these United States would be incredulous, incensed, and outraged. They understood that acceptance of homosexuality would undermine and erode the moral foundations of civilization. Sodomy, the longtime historical term for same-sex relations, was a capital crime under British common law. Sir William Blackstone, British attorney, jurist, law professor, and political philosopher, authored his monumental Commentaries on the Laws of England from 1765-1769. These commentaries became the premiere legal source admired and used by America’s Founding Fathers. In Book the Fourth, Chapter the Fifteenth, “Of Offences Against the Persons of Individuals,” Blackstone stated:

IV. WHAT has been here observed..., which ought to be the more clear in proportion as the crime is the more detestable, may be applied to another offence, of a still deeper malignity; the infamous crime against nature, committed either with man or beast.... But it is an offence of so dark a nature...that the accusation should be clearly made out....

I WILL not act so disagreeable part, to my readers as well as myself, as to dwell any longer upon a subject, the very mention of which is a disgrace to human nature. It will be more eligible to imitate in this respect the delicacy of our English law, which treats it, in it’s very indictments, as a crime not fit to be named; peccatum illud horribile, inter chriftianos non nominandum [“that horrible sin not to be named among Christians”—DM]. A taciturnity observed likewise by the edict of Constantius and Constans: ubi fcelus eft id, quod non proficit fcire, jubemus infurgere leges, armari jura gladio ultore, ut exquifitis poenis fubdantur infames, qui funt, vel qui futuri funt, rei [“When that crime is found, which is not profitable to know, we order the law to bring forth, to provide justice by force of arms with an avenging sword, that the infamous men be subjected to the due punishment, those who are found, or those who future will be found, in the deed”—DM]. Which leads me to add a work concerning its punishment.

THIS the voice of nature and of reason, and the express law of God, determine to be capital. Of which we have a signal instance, long before the Jewish dispensation, by the destruction of two cities by fire from heaven: so that this is an universal, not merely a provincial, precept. And our ancient law in some degree imitated this punishment, by commanding such miscreants to be burnt to death; though Fleta says they should be buried alive: either of which punishments was indifferently used for this crime among the ancient Goths. But now the general punishment of all felonies is the fame, namely, by hanging: and this offence (being in the times of popery only subject to ecclesiastical censures) was made single felony by the statute 25 Hen. VIII. c. 6. and felony without benefit of clergy by statute 5 Eliz. c. 17. And the rule of law herein is, that, if both are arrived at years of discretion, agentes et confentientes pari poena plectantur [“advocates and conspirators should be punished with like punishment”—DM] (1769, 4.15.215-216, emp. added).

Sir William Blackstone

Here was the law of England—common law—under which Americans lived prior to achieving independence. That law did not change after gaining independence. To say the least, such thinking is hardly “politically correct” by today’s standards.

How many Americans realize that while serving as the Commander-in-Chief of the Continental Army during the Revolutionary War, the Father of our country was apprised of a homosexual in the army. The response of General Washington was immediate and decisive. He issued “General Orders” from Army Headquarters at Valley Forge on Saturday, March 14, 1778:

At a General Court Martial whereof Colo. Tupper was President (10th March 1778) Lieutt. Enslin of Colo. Malcom’s Regiment tried for attempting to commit sodomy, with John Monhort a soldier; Secondly, For Perjury in swearing to false Accounts, found guilty of the charges exhibited against him, being breaches of 5th Article 18th Section of the Articles of War and do sentence him to be dismiss’d the service with Infamy. His Excellency the Commander in Chief approves the sentence and with Abhorrence and Detestation of such Infamous Crimes orders Lieutt. Enslin to be drummed out of Camp tomorrow morning by all the Drummers and Fifers in the Army never to return; The Drummers and Fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at Guard mounting for that Purpose (“George...,” underline in orig., emp. added).

Images courtesy of Library of Congress, Manuscript Division

Observe that the Father of our country viewed “sodomy” (the 18th-century word for homosexual relations) “with Abhorrence and Detestation.”

Homosexuality was treated as a criminal offense in all of the original thirteen colonies, and eventually every one of the fifty states (see Robinson, 2003; “Sodomy Laws...,” 2003). Severe penalties were invoked for those who engaged in homosexuality. In fact, few Americans know that the penalty for homosexuality in several states was death—including New York, Vermont, Connecticut, and South Carolina (Barton, 2000, pp. 306,482). Most people nowadays would be shocked to learn that Thomas Jefferson advocated “dismemberment” as the penalty for homosexuality in his home state of Virginia, and even authored a bill to that effect (1781, Query 14; cf. 1903, 1:226-227).

Image courtesy of Library of Congress, General Collections

Where did the Founding Fathers and early American citizenry derive their views on homosexuality? The historically unequivocal answer is—the Bible. “Traditional” (i.e., biblical) marriage in this country has always been between a man and a woman. In the words of Jesus: “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’?” (Matthew 19:4-5, emp. added). He was merely quoting the statement made by God regarding His creation of the first man and woman (Genesis 1:27; 2:24). God created Adam and Eve—not Adam and Steve, or Eve and Ellen. And throughout the rest of biblical history, God’s attitude toward same-sex relations remained the same (Miller, et al., 2003).

In the greater scheme of human history, as civilizations have proceeded down the usual pathway of moral deterioration and eventual demise, the acceptance of same-sex relations has typically triggered the final stages of impending social implosion. America is being brought to the very brink of moral destruction. The warning issued by God to the Israelites regarding their own ability to sustain their national existence in the Promised Land is equally apropos for America:

You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination.... Do not defile yourselves with any of these things; for by all these the nations are defiled, which I am casting out before you. For the land is defiled; therefore I visit the punishment of its iniquity upon it, and the land vomits out its inhabitants. You shall therefore keep My statutes and My judgments, and shall not commit any of these abominations...lest the land vomit you out also when you defile it, as it vomited out the nations that were before you (Leviticus 18:22-28, emp. added).

Mark it down: THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.


Barton, David (2002), Original Intent (Aledo, TX: Wallbuilders), 3rd edition.

Blackstone, William (1769), Commentaries on the Laws of England, [On-line], URL:

“George Washington, March 14, 1778, General Orders” (1778), The George Washington Papers at the Library of Congress, 1741-1799, from ed. John C. Fitzpatrick, The Writings of George Washington from the Original Manuscript Sources, 1745-1799, [On-line], URL: (gw110081)).

Jefferson, Thomas (1781), Notes on the State of Virginia, The Avalon Project at Yale Law School, [On-line], URL:

Miller, Dave, et al.(2003), “An Investigation of the Biblical Evidence Against Homosexuality,” Reason & Revelation, 24[9]:81, December, [On-line], URL:

Robinson, B.A. (2003), “Criminalizing Same-Sex Behavior,” [On-line], URL:

“Sodomy Laws in the United States” (2003), [On-line], URL:

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KEYWORDS: corruption; culturaldegeneracy; foundingfathers; homonaziagenda; homosexualagenda; moralabsolutes; sodomy
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"This crime, tho repugnant to every sentiment of decency and delicacy, is very prevalent in corrupt and debauched countries where the low pleasures of sensuality and luxury have depraved the mind and degraded the appetite below the brutal creation. Our modest ancestors, it seems by the diction of the law, had no idea that a man would commit this crime [anal intercourse with either sex]. . . . [H]ere, by force of common law, [it is] punished with death. . . . [because of] the disgust and horror with which we treat of this abominable crime."--Zephaniah Swift

Has Homosexuality Always Been Incompatible With Military Service?

1 posted on 05/02/2009 3:35:50 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan
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2 posted on 05/02/2009 3:38:18 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan
Also fifty years ago, no one really appreciated the substantial role homosexuality played within the fledgling German national socialist labor movement.
3 posted on 05/02/2009 3:39:42 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

The next domino has fallen. The first several fell when, from 1971 to 2001, over half of the fifty states eliminated their sodomy laws. The next fell on June 26, 2003, when the U.S. Supreme Court struck down all state sodomy laws in their infamous Lawrence v. Texas ruling. Cascading after that, the Supreme Court of Massachusetts declared the issuance of marriage licenses for same-sex couples to be constitutional. The first marriage licenses were issued to same-sex couples on May 17, 2004. Now, less than a year later, the state of New York is following suit. State court judge Doris Ling-Cohan has ruled that the New York City clerk may not deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples. Her rationale? “Under both the federal and New York State constitutions, it is beyond question that ‘the right to liberty’ extends to protect marriage” (“Judge Nixes...,” 2005, emp. added). She further insisted: “Similar to opposite-sex couples, same-sex couples are entitled to the same fundamental right to follow their hearts and publicly commit to a lifetime partnership with the person of their choosing” (as quoted in Kearney, 2005, emp. added). Any dominoes that remain will inevitably fall in March 2005, when a new video will be distributed to 61,000 schools across the nation—a video in which homosexual activists are using popular children’s television characters to urge tolerance and acceptance of the homosexual lifestyle. The inevitable moral implosion of America is happening right before our very eyes.

A pernicious plague of moral insanity is creeping insidiously through American civilization. Far more deadly than the external threat of terrorism, this domino effect will ultimately end in the moral implosion of America. Indeed, America is being held captive by moral and judicial terrorism. Those at the forefront of the attempt to coerce the country into altering its long-standing code of moral values are activist judges. Their tortured “interpretation” of constitutional law demonstrates that they have no respect for existing laws. Instead, they apparently see themselves as the appropriate architects of social change by usurping their constitutional role and legislating from the bench. They have placed themselves at odds with the history of Western civilization. With no regard for American legal history and the body of constitutional law that has remained largely intact from the beginning of the nation until the 1950s and 1960s, they essentially have swept away over 150 years of American judicial precedent with a flippant wave of the hand. They are literally restructuring the American moral landscape with an unflinching vengeance that is unmoved by the widespread national outrage to the contrary.America’s Inevitable Moral Implosion

4 posted on 05/02/2009 3:40:04 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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Of course this is true but the fact is that slavery used to be legal and this is often one of the levers used to say that the old laws against homosexuality were just as egregiously wrong. I’m just sayin’ since that’s one of the big arguments you know.

5 posted on 05/02/2009 3:41:20 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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It is interesting that the Torys, who sanctioned homosexuality, today align themselves with “Patriotic Liberals”. These liberals of today would have been the Torys of 1776. Those who would have been British Loyalists.

6 posted on 05/02/2009 3:45:49 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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The Pink Swastika: Homosexuality in the Nazi Party
7 posted on 05/02/2009 3:46:52 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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Homosexuality in our culture really took off when the DNC first saw them as a voting block.

8 posted on 05/02/2009 3:47:57 PM PDT by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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9 posted on 05/02/2009 3:48:00 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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10 posted on 05/02/2009 3:49:49 PM PDT by Snurple (VEGETARIAN, OLD INDIAN WORD FOR BAD HUNTER.)
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There is a fundamental difference between the practice of involuntary servitude or treating people as mere property as opposed to people who define their entire lives around their sordid sexual perversions. Granted, people will invoke it, but it is a frivolous comparison.

11 posted on 05/02/2009 3:50:01 PM PDT by Conservative Coulter Fan (I am defiantly proud of being part of the Religious Right in America.)
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1 Corinthians 6:9-10

Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Leviticus 20:13

If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

2 Chronicles 7:14

If My people who are called by My name will humble themselves, and pray and seek My face, and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

12 posted on 05/02/2009 3:50:59 PM PDT by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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Indeed. My late Baptist, FDR/Truman/JFK/LBJ supportin’ grandparents would be shocked to see what the Democratic Party they once loved and voted for turned into.

13 posted on 05/02/2009 3:56:06 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Conservative Coulter Fan

Fantastic post... and more fuel for the fire of the America-haters that now number the ranks of the current administration.

The simple fact is we will eventually be persecuted for our faith and condemned all the more for what we believe. We have to continue, however not only to claim the faith that owns us, but to proclaim it, remembering that God is God...

and God will not be mocked.

Thank you for posting this.

14 posted on 05/02/2009 3:56:55 PM PDT by Gordon Greene ( - Jesus said, "I am THE way, THE truth and THE life." Any questions?)
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One isn’t born gay, one can be born black (which was the basis of slavery in the US, and denial of equal protection under the US laws).

15 posted on 05/02/2009 4:04:05 PM PDT by JSDude1 (DHS, FBI, FEMA, etc have been bad little boys. They need to be spanked and sent to timeout!)
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Interesting, I hadn't really considered Blackstone as a Founding Father before. It would be also interesting to compare the Founders' sayings on letting women and nonwhite people have full political rights as well.

I revere the Founding Fathers as much as anyone here, but they were men of their times, even though they were considerably ahead of their times in the matter of working and fighting for self-government. Thomas Jefferson's words notwithstanding, I'm not going to advocate dismembering homosexuals.

It's not like the Bible, folks, it's not "all right" or "all wrong".

16 posted on 05/02/2009 4:04:28 PM PDT by hunter112 (SHRUG - Stop Hussein's Radical Utopian Gameplan!)
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bookmark for later.

17 posted on 05/02/2009 4:10:01 PM PDT by IrishCatholic (No local Communist or Socialist Party Chapter? Join the Democrats, it's the same thing!)
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“It’s not like the Bible, folks, it’s not “all right” or “all wrong”.”

Ummmmmmmm, yes it is.

18 posted on 05/02/2009 4:14:25 PM PDT by swmobuffalo ("We didn't seek the approval of Code Pink and before deciding what to do")
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America is being held captive by moral terrorists.
19 posted on 05/02/2009 4:19:25 PM PDT by AKA Elena (Mary, Help of Christians, Pray for us.)
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To: GodGunsGuts

Anyone having had friends, relatives or work mates that are homosexual is painfully aware that it is no more normal than drug addiction, alcoholism or any other self destructive lifestyle.
I believe they have a right as free individuals to ruin their own lives. Their lifestyle should not be used against them unless they engage in illegal behavior. Then they should be treated as anyone else.

I believe parents have a right and a responsibility to inform their children that this isn’t a normal lifestyle and no matter what their school tries to tell them it will bring them only heartache, disease, drug addiction and a life span of up to 25 years less than the average person.

What makes them different is sexual tastes, sexual conduct and sexual partners. Children should not be exposed to indoctrination by homosexual activists any more than drug dealers should be allowed to come to the school and tell children that it’s normal to take drugs.

Someday a whole generation of liberally raised children are going to rise up against their parents and teachers and know them for what they are liars who put their children’s lives in danger by convincing them that they would rather their children were homosexuals than Christians. There will be a day of reckoning for liberals.

20 posted on 05/02/2009 4:20:43 PM PDT by ODDITHER (HAT)
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