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Marine Confesses He Witnessed Torture
Written by a Marine | 04/25/2009 | Ed the Marine

Posted on 04/26/2009 6:20:31 AM PDT by Eric

Marine Confesses He Witnessed Torture


My fellow veterans please forgive me. But I must purge my soul. I only ask that you reserve judgment until you read all of if. I only want peace for all and a world free of torture.

What I saw in the military was much worse than water boarding. The prisoners were taken to a 12 foot deep pool. Feet weighted they were forced into the pool. Those who hesitated, were moved onto a plank high above the pool and forced off. They were to stay in this deep water for over an hour feet weighted and in full clothing. Those who touched the side of the pool had their fingers stepped on by angry guards. Not enough to break their fingers as that would reveal this terrible secret but just enough to inflect severe pain without detectable injury. The guards knew their craft well. Like water boarding, the prisoners were not allowed to drown. No, that would expose the cover-up.

It gets worse! I must tell all! They were then taken to a wooden building far from the main complex. A lantern like device burned in the middle of the building. It gave off a horrible gas. The prisoners were forced to run around the lantern without the benefit of the gas masks worn by the guards and sing in their native language their country’s patriotic songs. I saw them with my own eyes as they were finally released from the windowless building: eyes red, mucus flowing uncontrollably from their mouths and noses. Some looked near death. A spec of humanity prevailed as they were allowed to recover for several minutes before being taken to the bleachers.

The prisoners were taken to the bleachers. I think there were about one hundred of them. They were not restrained, no that would blow this horrible trick. The bleachers were located in a bug infested marsh. Those prisoners who moved their hands in any effort to ward of the flying bugs were severely punished. Mockingly, the guards in the native language of the prisoners said that “their bugs had to eat too.” The guard threw a dud hand grenade into the helpless group. He laughed as they scattered in terror. The prisoners were regathered and prepared for more.

I saw one prisoner taken out of out of line in just his shorts which were on backwards. Horrible sexual innuendos and insults were directed at him. I saw a tear roll down his cheek.

The prisoners were United States Marine recruits the “torture” described above was part of our training. The guards were drill instructors. The above is why we shake our heads in disbelief when water-boarding, bugs, and loud music are described as torture by the main stream press.

The above prepared us for combat so that fair-weather pacifists can stand on our street corners only in the best of weather. God forbid, they should be out in the cold or even worse the rain as that would resemble water-boarding.

Ed

USMC.

Vietnam 1967-1968


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: activists; chat; gwot; interrogation; marines; rendition; torture; training
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To: Patriot2A
My daughter, who also went through SERE, was told that everyone breaks. Everyone, no matter how tough they think they are.
81 posted on 04/26/2009 7:43:36 AM PDT by My hearts in London - Everett (There is a demand today for men who can make wrong appear right. Terrence, c. 160 B.C.)
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To: Eric

OORAH!


82 posted on 04/26/2009 7:45:18 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Larry Lucido; Eric

Correcting a Marine’s grammar and p[unctuation: now THAT’S torture!

BTW, I got it by the middle of the second paragraph! and I am spamming all my friends with it!


83 posted on 04/26/2009 7:45:39 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: FR_addict
It would be funny if some of the liberals read it without reading to the end and started posting it as “PROOF of TORTURE.”

As is evident by some of the posts even here on FR, many people only read headlines or the first line of a story to gain their "knowledge" on a subject.

While effective for those who use intellect over emotion, this type of message never reaches those who need it most - the "react first - think never" type, i.e. all liberals.

84 posted on 04/26/2009 7:46:14 AM PDT by Mygirlsmom (THE CO2 emitted during an average Obama speech is a violation of his own EPA's new standards)
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To: Erik Latranyi; tet68; MudPuppy; usmcobra; A.A. Cunningham
Yes, but no marine, no matter how fierce, could defend the placement of underwear on a prisoners head!

Unless of course, you were on liberty in the Philippines...

85 posted on 04/26/2009 7:46:51 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

>Marine Corps training is independent of what is done in the Navy. Your assumption is AFU.

So then, I’m to expect that being shipbord personnel they’re NOT going to give you some of the same training that sailors should go through for going overboard?

Also, the Marines are under the department of the Navy, meaning that their training is [technically] Navy training. (Take a look at their pay-stubs if you don’t believe me.)


86 posted on 04/26/2009 7:47:30 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: RaceBannon

What happens on deployment, stays on deployment. :-)


87 posted on 04/26/2009 7:48:40 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: MayflowerMadam
Whatever it takes to get those f**kers to talk, or even suffer based on the principle of the thing, I’m for it.

Can the right out-cuss the left?

88 posted on 04/26/2009 7:49:36 AM PDT by don-o (My son, Ben - Marine Private First Class - 1/16/09 - Parris Island, SC)
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To: Riley

>The key is to keep them good and wet, they’ll retain more air that way.

The water’s surface-tension[?] forms a nice seal there in the clothing’s weave-gaps, so that makes sense.


89 posted on 04/26/2009 7:50:04 AM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Eric; MudPuppy; tet68; usmcobra; A.A. Cunningham

ya know, this thread reminds me of the Movie FULL METAL JACKET. Civilians watched this movie with horror, Marines watched this movie with absolute glee and hysteria.

THis thread most likely will degenerate into that hysteria: civilians will all decry the horror of boot camp, Marines and Soldiers will all brag about how sick they got in the gas chambers!!


90 posted on 04/26/2009 7:51:40 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Exactly right.


91 posted on 04/26/2009 7:52:07 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: RaceBannon

^^^^Not Actual Marines on Liberty in Phillipines

But close enough for government work

92 posted on 04/26/2009 7:52:13 AM PDT by usmcobra (Your chances of dying in bed are reduced by getting out of it, but most people still die in bed)
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To: RaceBannon
ya know, this thread reminds me of the Movie FULL METAL JACKET. Civilians watched this movie with horror, Marines watched this movie with absolute glee and hysteria.

LOL Yup!

93 posted on 04/26/2009 7:53:26 AM PDT by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Eric
Chuckle...

Semper Fi!

94 posted on 04/26/2009 7:54:56 AM PDT by sonofagun
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To: OneWingedShark; A.A. Cunningham

LOL. Ping me with your response, A.A..


95 posted on 04/26/2009 7:55:04 AM PDT by freema (MarineNiece,Daughter,Wife,Friend,Sister,Friend,Aunt,Friend,Mother,Friend,Cousin, FRiend)
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To: OneWingedShark

the deep end of Parris Island’s pool was 12 feet. Your’s probably was at Fort Dix, too.


96 posted on 04/26/2009 7:55:24 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Eric; SWAMPSNIPER; Old Sarge; SandRat

I call BS.


97 posted on 04/26/2009 7:56:45 AM PDT by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: OneWingedShark

weighted feet is most likely a reference to wearing full combat gear, boots and all. No one I saw ever wore ankle weights as any additional weight, everything we had on was enough.


98 posted on 04/26/2009 7:56:59 AM PDT by RaceBannon (We have sown the wind, but we will reap the whirlwind. NObama. Not my president.)
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To: Eric

The bit in the USMC boot camp swimming pool had a name. It was called “drown-proofing” training. I distintly recall chuckling when I heard the name and got a drill instructor elbow to the side of the head. I guess that too was torture in today’s world.


99 posted on 04/26/2009 7:58:03 AM PDT by AlphaOneAlpha
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To: Eric
Outstanding, and...

as a former Marine, I can say there is real truth to the point this author is driving home.

The cries of "torture" from the left-wing, regarding the interrogation methods we use against our enemies, is as much of a farce, as their charges against Sheriff Joe Arpaio in Arizona. They say it is inhumane to have prisoners living in tents out in the Arizona heat.

Like this posted story, Conservatives point out that our American military has been doing that for YEARS, and with no problem (or worries about them from the military-loathing left).

The same is true of something I heard from one of the Marine reservists I trained while on I&I duty in Atlanta. He worked in a prison in Tennessee, and told me that the grade of meat required for convicted and incarcerated criminals by the government (not sure if state, fed, or both) is HIGHER than that required for our military.

The un-American, America-LAST contingent (civilian and government) is repulsive, disgusting, and shameless, and MUST be stopped from ruining our country.

100 posted on 04/26/2009 7:58:49 AM PDT by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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