Posted on 04/26/2009 6:20:31 AM PDT by Eric
Unless they don't read the whole thing, like some of our Freepers. That would be a hoot, if they published it thinking they had an expos'e.
I heard Oliver North talking about the SF training he went through. He was livid that the memos were released as if this was really torture.
>Anybody want to give OneWingedShark an education?
Already got it; I asked an expert:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2238070/posts?page=53#53
PS - Why do you think I put the part about sailors possibly having to do it? I know that’s part of the navy’s training (and therefore Marine), but the part about the depth and weights is what made me wonder about it. {10lb weights? 5, 15 20 lbs? - It’s so vague that I assume more weight.}
The point does indeed come home. I love this post. Good I read the whole thing, though. I was getting my hackles up til I got to the punch line.
God bless our armed forces. They have the character and moral fortitude a liberal might dream of but will never possess.
You didn’t read the whole thing, did you? Go back and read all of it and then you will feel foolish.
“This letter needs to go to the media. Sean Hannity, Glen Beck, Rush Limbaugh, etc. I think it’s great!”
That’s not the media; that’s preaching to the choir. Anyone listening to shows like that have already heard those in the military call in and discuss.
I say let’s get a Marine to call into someone like Thom Hartmann and ask him which torture is worse: Trying to decide to jump or burn to death because a plane just flew into your building, or this?
You didn’t read it either. Read ALL of it.
Try this for fun:
Stand about three feet away from a wall and assume the position of Attention.
Put your hands on the wall and lean foward until your forehead touches the wall.
Return your hands to your sides and stand (lean) rigidly at Attention with your neck held straight and your forehead holding your weight against the wall.
If you don’t get it right the first time the DI yelling in your ear will offer helpful suggestions while commenting about your manhood and parentage. Don’t be concerned - he only looks like his arteries are ready to explode with rage at your very presence - he’s really going to be fine once you are out of his life.
Do not slouch or allow your neck or back to bend unless you want the DI to take violent corrective action.
Continue until your muscles give out and you slide slowly into and down the wall, ending as a quivering puddle of nerve and muscle.
Force yourself back up, assume the position of Attention, and do it all over again. If you have trouble rising the DI will give you a boost with a few well placed kicks.
After several hours of this you will be determined not to falter or fail in carrying out the DI’s slightest wish.
That's Corps, gomer.
Amazingly I too suffered the same sort of torture and then some, half way through my stay at this facility I was removed from my original group because I had trouble meeting the physical demands placed upon me.
Instead of being placed where I could have received medical treatment I was sent to a special motivation unit which was allowed to inflict even more torture upon me.
Before dawn I was made to crawl through pipes full of the most foul smelling muck imaginable and filled with the dreaded land crabs that legend has it would eat the flesh of anyone that dared to attempt escape across the marshes that surrounded this Island.
Then I was then thrown into a pit of even nastier muck and dared to attempt escape while I was forced to cross it carrying a 14 pound piece of steel over my head screaming at the top of my lungs.
No sooner than I completed that challenge, I was force marched at a high rate of speed covered in muck and mud still carrying that slab of metal down a near deserted road to the main headquarters.
It was there where those of us that had made the long march stood shivering while our guards verbally berated us for failing at our appointed tasks until four of their kind came out of their head quarters and approached the flag pole.
Silence commanded the scene as in the distance a PA system began to play our national anthem, and they raised a star spangled banner with great reverence, then when they were done the head of our guards spoke of the reasons why we were there and what would become of us when we left there, I cannot speak for the rest with me but on that day I broke down and cried at my failure, and steeled my resolve to become a Marine.
You see, I am a proud graduate of The Moat Platoon or the Motivation platoon, a place where they send recruits they still believe can be Marines if they can only apply themselves harder.
The Irony is, I was sent to Moat because I cannot run, and had not been issued tennis shoes in Boot camp like everyone else in my platoon, I had to run in my combat boots and that for me had been sheer torture.
I still can’t run. I was one of those children that needed braces to straighten my legs, only I was never fitted with them, but I can force march with the best of Marines.
When I read the words about the “lantern-like” devise I knew where the Marine was going. Similar technique used by the US Army at Fort Lewis in ‘66. CS Gas. Spontaneously we all called it Chicken Shit gas, ‘coz that’s what it turned you into. I still have the letter I wrote home about that experience.
I am disgusted with what we still jokingly call a government. Right to what in better times would be thought of as the top.
Bless your heart.
I did read all of it. I can still have an opinion re “torture”, can’t I?
Marine Corps training is independent of what is done in the Navy. Your assumption is AFU.
Additionally- the depth, as long as it’s over the tallest man’s head is irrelevant. I never saw anyone try it, but if you were to use the bottom to ‘rest’ by contacting it in any way, even if only momentarily, you would be assumed to have ‘rested’. You’d probably have been made to get out, run outside, do some bends and MFers in the sun, then run back in and start over again. Only now, you’re starting out tired.
I think I tread water fully clothed for fifteen minutes IIRC, and then was taught to get out of various articles of clothing and make flotation devices out of them while treading water. The key is to keep them good and wet, they’ll retain more air that way.
That’s not the media; that’s preaching to the choir.”
They have a large audience and liberals do turn in. It's a great letter and the letter would get a chance to be aired.
One of my daughters who works in intel in the Navy and also goes to those sandy places went through the same training last year. She made it through with no physical or emotional scars. I was/am very proud of her. She’s become a stronger person because of it.
I don’t watch MSNBC but was grateful for this. Somehow, the usual liberal rationale for nontorture (i.e., “then they won’t do it to us”) reaches new heights of inanity even before Ms. Cheney reacts. I’d like to see it in an ad.
LOL!!!!
USMC 1977-1981
and I had to go through that horrible chamber with the noxious fumes TWICE for dropping my protective mask!!
Amazing...and sad...but I’m not surprised. Many years ago I read that military badges were pinned onto Marines...not on their clothing, but INTO their skin on their chests.
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