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Possibility of Bio-Terrorism in Swine Flu Outbreak
April 25, 2007 | freedomfighter1013

Posted on 04/25/2009 5:51:39 AM PDT by FreedomFighter1013

In a discussion this morning with a cell biologist and medical doctor working at Johns Hopkins, my friend thought this 4-part flu combination is highly unusual and looks like it could be man-made. Especially because it has an avian strain. My doctor friend (he's Taiwanese) explained that in Asia, it's common for a avian-swine-human flu to happen naturally, but this virus first showed up in Mexico, where pigs and ducks are not usually raised together. Also, recombination of more than 2-different flu viruses is extremely rare. I'm just repeating what he said as an expert in the field. He says the CDC needs to explain if there is a possibility that we are under a bio-weapon attack.

From CDC via Wikipedia: Anne Schuchat, director of CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said that the American cases were found to be made up of genetic elements from four different flu viruses -- North American swine influenza, North American avian influenza, human influenza A virus subtype H1N1, and swine influenza virus typically found in Asia and Europe. For two cases a complete genome sequence had been obtained. She said that the virus was resistant to amantadine and rimantadine, but susceptible to oseltamivir (Tamiflu) and zanamivir (Relenza).[22][23][24] Preliminary genetic characterization found that the hemagglutinin (HA) gene was similar to that of swine flu viruses present in U.S. pigs since 1999, but the neuraminidase (NA) and matrix protein (M) genes resembled versions present in European swine flu isolates. Viruses with this genetic makeup had not previously been found to be circulating in humans or pigs, but there is no formal national surveillance system to determine what viruses are circulating in pigs in the U.S.[25] The seasonal influenza strain H1N1 vaccine is thought to be unlikely to provide protection.[26]


TOPICS: Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: bioterrorism; chat; flu; mexican; mexicanflu; notbreakingnews; outbreak; speculation; swine; swineflu; tm; virus
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To: mware

This is CDC live interview on now.
http://www.videonewswire.com/cdc/58388/event.html


241 posted on 04/25/2009 10:23:56 AM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today :))
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

Thank you. These are scary times for all of us. We can bury our heads under the pillow or we can look these boogerbears straight in the eye. We are not the dumb sheep they think we are.


242 posted on 04/25/2009 10:27:05 AM PDT by 1000 silverlings (Everything that deceives also enchants: Plato)
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To: Raebie

Another poster there says that the local news is also reporting 200 dead.


243 posted on 04/25/2009 10:28:13 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten per cent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: staytrue

dead and sick people leave their land and possessions to be taken by others


244 posted on 04/25/2009 10:32:10 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: thecabal; Mother Abigail
Mother Abigail is an old time FReeper. We have chatted quite a few times over different threads.

Weird thing is there was also a Randell Flag who posted here too

245 posted on 04/25/2009 10:32:26 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

because its possible the “new strain” is a screw up that occurred during a vaccine test that was intended to develop a vaccine effective against multi flu strains, an dinstaed combined strains of live and perhaps genetically altered flus

remember in the winter a lab in Austria “accidentally” sent live bird flu-contaminated vaccine to a lab in Eastern Europe, which found out when the test animals died


246 posted on 04/25/2009 10:35:45 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg
Here's another one:

PANDEMIC by Daniel Kalla

“Bird viruses meet their human counterparts in the bloodstream of the swine, where they mix and mutate before spreading back into the human population. And a new flu is born.
...In an age when every single person in the world is connected by three commercial flights or fewer, a killer bug can travel much faster than the flu of 1919.”

http://www.fantasticfiction.co.uk/k/daniel-kalla/pandemic.htm

247 posted on 04/25/2009 10:36:14 AM PDT by 444Flyer (Don't beLIEve Obama...........every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. 2 Thess 2:10)
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To: 1000 silverlings
Less than two weeks ago, half joking, we predicted on FR, in the wake of the DHS extremist panic, that they would go to the Pandemic Panic card next. If anyone can explain HOW they had a vaccine ready for a mutated hybrid virus combining swine-human-avian viral genetics (never seen before), the explanation would be worth hearing. And now a doctor in Mexico City is saying that some people died who took that experimental vaccine???!!!

How do they have a vaccine ready to give to people for a mutated strain NEVER SEEN BEFORE? What is the normal length of time the FDA and AMA would test an experimental vaccine before using it on human subjects???

Something doesn't smell right here. If there was a vaccine for this ready before the outbreak someone in the pharmaceutical and bio world knows about it.

248 posted on 04/25/2009 10:36:53 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: mware; RandallFlagg

He’s still here.

If it’s 200 dead.....


249 posted on 04/25/2009 10:37:25 AM PDT by txhurl (ralph...history books will read: Lincoln freed the slaves & Obama enslaved the free.)
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To: rednek

http://pub29.bravenet.com/forum/static/show.php?usernum=2442810129&frmid=8&msgid=998900&cmd=show

Now that “tin foil hat” message is one of those interesting coincidences, isn’t it?

Perhaps crashing the economy was not working as effectively and efficiently as needed. We were supposed to be under martial law by now

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1994684/posts


250 posted on 04/25/2009 10:39:21 AM PDT by silverleaf (We live in interesting times: now the entire IRS works for a tax evader)
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To: staytrue

See #81


251 posted on 04/25/2009 10:39:33 AM PDT by G8 Diplomat (I'm learning Arabic, Farsi, Urdu, Pashtu, and Russian so someday you won't have to)
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To: txhurl
Noticed your nick.

You stay safe my FRiend.

252 posted on 04/25/2009 10:40:02 AM PDT by mware (F-R-E-E, that spells free. Free Republic.com baby.)
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To: FreedomFighter1013

http://foxforum.blogs.foxnews.com/2009/04/25/dr-marc-siegel-the-most-powerful-virus-is-fear-not-flu/


253 posted on 04/25/2009 10:44:40 AM PDT by deks (Prevent the next Ice Age ... Support Global Warming)
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To: thecabal

Maybe they want us, our land, etc. not the money? The dollar is plunging anyway, maybe they just want everything else. The gold, the buildings, the people, the future taxes when it lets up.

Another thought, can China and Iran really be happy about a one world government. Seems to me they want control and would worry that they wouldn’t be the victor, so they are being preemptive.

I’ll take my tinfoil hat off, but just since there where ideas being thrown out there, I wanted to throw in a theory! ;0)


254 posted on 04/25/2009 10:45:41 AM PDT by proudtobeanamerican1 (God Bless the USA and Israel)
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; All

Does anyone know if WHO has tossed around the term “pandemic” in the past?

It seems there’s either A) a situation much more serious than we’re being told OR B) overeaction/panic for an unusual (three-in-one) flu.

The thing I find unusual is this happening in the spring- not the normal flu season.


255 posted on 04/25/2009 10:45:57 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: silverleaf
Could it have come from an experimental vaccine test?
Like the contaminated Avian in Eastern Europe?

It does sound a little suspicious if such strains were genetically combined in experimental vaccine tests and then it pops up in the human population. A little too convenient. How was the stock doing before the outbreak?

256 posted on 04/25/2009 10:46:01 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: SE Mom
I haven't tracked their alarmist scares and orchestrated panics in the past for globalist population control vaccine campaigns, but they may have been hyping "Pandemic" with SARS and Avian in the past. However long ago the West Nile Virus panic was.

There had been these cases of contaminated vaccines (with an Avian strain) in the Czech Republic, Austria, and possibly other European countries. That actually happened.

It just stretches credibility that they had a vaccine ready for a mutated hybrid swine-human-avian never seen before. How was there time to test that? Who was tested, when and where?

257 posted on 04/25/2009 10:51:23 AM PDT by HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity
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To: HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity

I thought I remembered some high-blown pandemic talk about SARS- but this seems a little different.

As to vaccines being ready so early- I’m thinking perhaps he meant something like tamiflu. A vaccine couldn’t be developed for this specific flu yet.


258 posted on 04/25/2009 10:59:36 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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Texas Town Closes High School:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/Health_officials_close_Cibolos_Steele_High.html


259 posted on 04/25/2009 11:01:15 AM PDT by backspace (Please don't laugh at my tagline)
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To: mware

He still does, though not so often.


260 posted on 04/25/2009 11:06:38 AM PDT by kimmie7 (THE CROSS - Today, Tomorrow and Always!)
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