Posted on 04/16/2009 10:43:31 AM PDT by AJKauf
The idea of secession gets under the skin of liberals like few other things can. And this is so because secession trumps their power grabs. When someone like Perry says his state has the right to leave the union if the federal government doesn’t uphold their end of the bargain, it’s a stark reminder that “the federal government exists by and for the states, not the other way around.”
And Perry has been open to the thought of breaking with the union as a last resort for some time now. Just last week, on April 9, he announced his support for Texas House Concurrent Resolution 50 (HCR 50), one of the many Tenth Amendment resolutions currently being passed at the state level...
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The USA wouldn’t exist with an act of secession.
Everybody who has (legally) migrated to the US has seceded from another country.
Secession is in America’s blood. Do you not see this?
Think again. As the author stated, secession talk makes libs furious because it trumps their power grabs. They can't stand the idea that people would be able to escape their control.
with = without.
There is an even better one, written literally overnight on a cold winter morning in March. I quote it in part below.
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When a government has ceased to protect the lives, liberty and property of the people, from whom its legitimate powers are derived, and for the advancement of whose happiness it was instituted, and so far from being a guarantee for the enjoyment of those inestimable and inalienable rights, becomes an instrument in the hands of evil rulers for their oppression.
When the Federal Republican Constitution of their country, which they have sworn to support, no longer has a substantial existence, and the whole nature of their government has been forcibly changed, without their consent, from a restricted federative republic, composed of sovereign states, to a consolidated central military despotism, in which every interest is disregarded but that of the army and the priesthood, both the eternal enemies of civil liberty, the everready minions of power, and the usual instruments of tyrants.
When, long after the spirit of the constitution has departed, moderation is at length so far lost by those in power, that even the semblance of freedom is removed, and the forms themselves of the constitution discontinued, and so far from their petitions and remonstrances being regarded, the agents who bear them are thrown into dungeons, and mercenary armies sent forth to force a new government upon them at the point of the bayonet.
When, in consequence of such acts of malfeasance and abdication on the part of the government, anarchy prevails, and civil society is dissolved into its original elements. In such a crisis, the first law of nature, the right of self-preservation, the inherent and inalienable rights of the people to appeal to first principles, and take their political affairs into their own hands in extreme cases, enjoins it as a right towards themselves, and a sacred obligation to their posterity, to abolish such government, and create another in its stead, calculated to rescue them from impending dangers, and to secure their future welfare and happiness.
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The list of complaints sound familiar? This was The Unanimous Declaration of Independence made by the Delegates of the People of Texas in General Convention at the town of Washington on the 2nd day of March 1836.
Texas is a special case. We can tell them that if they don’t let us secede, we’ll make sure Obama’s successor is another Bush from Texas. {evil grin} They’ll be begging us to leave, then. :D
traitors to what?
Is someone a “traitor” when they demand to be out of a contract when the other party violates the terms of that contract?
IOW's modern-day Fort Sumpter.
I can almost see a statue like this of Rick if he pulls this off...
http://www.roadsideamerica.com/story/7247
If Texas secedes from the Union, I’m moving to Texas. The founding fathers of the United States would be the first to sign a new Declaration of Independence from the tyranny of Washington. I wonder what happened to the “home of the brave”? Maybe Texans are the last Americans with balls?
Obama’s not Lincoln, and the liberals won’t do anything but offer negotiations.
The loyalist said the same thing about patriots.
When our own government is shredding the constitution and warning Americans of the dangers of returning vets and “right wing radicals”, then I would argue that what my government has DONE is more traitorous than anything my Governor has said.
Evidently you do not know Texans. I moved to Texas 30 years ago and I can tell you I got an education about Texas in just the first few months of living here. Here are what Texans think about their state:
“We are the only state in the union that can secede”
“We are one of the few states in the union that is totally self supporting.”
“Anyone north of the Texas border are considered Yankees.”
“Regardless of party, all Texans are proud of their state.”
“We are a low taxing, low services state. If you want to live high on welfare, move somewhere else.”
So now that I am a proud Texan, I agree with all of the above. Does that make me a traitor. We Texans love Rick Perry for making a stand and sticking up for our state.
Texas would have a serious problem if they succeeded. I don’t think they could handle the influx of people from the other states rushing there to join them.
I imagine the immigration laws of the Republic of Texas would be stricter than those of the United States.
Indeed, despite what our foolish governor sometimes says, we have become very accustomed and happy (dependent even) on sucking at the federal teat and blaming the rest of the country for our problems.
You mean like Obama's policies? I mean, you were talking about what happened historically. Isn't what he's doing worse than what lead us into the great depression followed by WWII?
Heck, now you're encouraging the debate.
Good point. How would this play out?
How much would the American Army pay people to fight back any states who chose to withdraw? If conscription were forced upon the American people to fight a Texas, what would happen to the men who refused to fight?
I am having a hard time realistically imagining what a 21st century civil war would look like. With today's media, both good and co-opted by the government, I'd imagine that half of the people across the country would agree with the government or be bought with the military pay, and half would stand on principle. But not sure.
“Perry has to go down this road because it’s a dead end. See Civil War.”
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
See the Declaration of Independence.
Don’t forget that there’s a West to the North-South equation now. I imagine every western state besides Washington, Oregon, and California would join the “rebels”, and a lot of cow counties within those Pacific states would break off, too.
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