Time to settle the “flying saucers” question.....

Ria Novosti ^ | April 2nd, 2009

[TaraP]

MOSCOW. (Andrei Kislyakov, for RIA Novosti) - So do UFOs with little green men inside exist or not? CNN supposedly filmed a UFO moving at a great speed from the right to the left during the inauguration of President Barack Obama. (But those who watched the replay say it was a bird.)

After that, former President Clinton's White House Chief John Podesta, now one of Obama's closest associates, demanded that the thick UFO files be made public.

The number of UFO sightings has dramatically increased in recent times. According to Britain's Ministry of Defense, there were supposedly 285 UFO sightings in the UK in 2008, double the figure for 2007, when the number of alleged UFO sightings was reckoned at 137. (UFOs attacking Ukraine. Video UFO seen over Moscow during Russia - Netherlands match.

The defense departments of the United States and the Soviet Union scrupulously registered alleged sightings of UFOs for decades. American ufologists say that the U.S. authorities were quite serious about the UFO question in the 1940s through 1960s.

Project Blue Book, terminated in 1969, had two goals: to determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and to scientifically analyze UFO-related data.

The USAF concluded that UFOs are not a threat to national security. Paradoxically, the military still refuse to provide information about UFOs for security reasons.

Ufologists insist that the USAF must give them access to certain documents, such as Project Moon Dust and Project Blue Fly.

Project Moon Dust was started in 1953, ostensibly to recover "returning space debris." Operation Blue Fly was launched to facilitate expeditious delivery to Foreign Technology Division of moon dust and other items of great technological intelligence interest. It is assumed that they were in fact connected with UFOs.

According to ufologists, the U.S. military also have kept the bodies of extraterrestrials who died in spaceship crashes over the United States.

The most widely known of such episodes, the Roswell Incident, took place in New Mexico on July 2, 1947, when an object crash-landed on a ranch approximately 75 miles northwest of Roswell, leaving a large field of debris.

The local air base at Roswell investigated the incident and announced that they had recovered a "flying disk." In fact, the crash was seen by a number of people. There were allegedly alien bodies found in the disk, but the film showing their autopsy was later denounced as a fraud.

If UFOs existed and military units were investigating them, there should also be a place for their deployment. This is Area 51, also known as Groom Lake, a secret military facility about 90 miles north of Las Vegas. At the center of it there is a large air base the government will not discuss about. The Roswell story speaks of alien bodies and wreckage being taken to a "Hangar 18" in Area 51.

Space photographs of the area show a huge landing strip crisscrossing the area and strange circles that can be interpreted as traces of landing of huge "flying saucers." Ufologists are convinced that this is so.

As President, George W. Bush moved Area 51 from the Nevada jurisdiction to that of the Pentagon and Washington. Slightly more than 10 years ago, civilian aircraft were prohibited to fly over the area.

The archives of the former Soviet Union are filled to capacity with data about contacts with extraterrestrials. They contain records of over 20,000 UFO sightings. The Academy of Sciences and the Defense Ministry both undertook investigations under the secret project names of Setka, Galaktika and Gorizont.

It is even said that "competent agencies," meaning the secret services, established contact with aliens and waited for their arrival to Earth. The media is now writing about a team of General Staff officers and academicians waiting for the arrival of an UFO in the Kyzylkum desert in June 1991.

Clearly, humans will always strive to search for beings of humanoid form in the Universe. But it is also apparent that apart from tall tales about "little green men" there are also facts that logically point to the presence of alien intelligence on the Earth.

In this case, maybe the time has come for the U.S. and Russian authorities to declassify information on unidentified flying objects and their masters?

[Quix]

Maybe I’ll get back to this one later.

Too complicated for a quick response.

[Star Traveler]

You said — “Oh, having been in intelligence I can asure you they had gotten some briefings about future technologies even if they hadn’t seen the technology in action”

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There may be certain people in intelligence that may know, but that doesn’t necessarily filter down to all the rank and file military person and/or even the public. And even when something like that is sighted and reported by someone in the rank and file and/or by the public — they are never going to be told what “intelligence” knows — in any case.

So, they are left with knowing nothing, no matter how much “intelligence” knows about it...

[Quix]

RADAR WAS NOT

INCONCLUSIVE

as the head of the area FAA asserted quite knowledgeably and confidently.

SPIN-MEISTERS from government disinformation offices may have

LABELED

such inconclusive

but only ignorant naysayers believe such tripe.

[evets]

[JoeProBono]

Speculation hell

[TaraP]

“We need to do something NOW before it is TOO LATE!” YES we do TC, share the gospel, be a witness for Christ to other’s that are lost....Maybe one reason we have not been raptured yet. As Soldiers of Christ, Jesus wants us to try and save as many souls as we can...

Because one day it will be to late.

[zeugma]

BFL. Love UFO Stuff

[TaraP]

Great Posts from you Quix!

Thank you and have a wonderful time with your pottery class..

[Star Traveler]

You were saying to topcat54 — “YES we do TC, share the gospel, be a witness for Christ to other’s that are lost....”

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Yes, that’s very true — but — that has absolutely nothing to do with sightings in the sky or unidentified things that people see and/or noises or earthquakes or wars (or rumors of wars) and so on. Nope, nothing at all. That’s because people can die at any moment and they have throughout all the centuries and many of them have been unsaved. The fact of the matter is that no one knows if they will be alive in the next few minutes (or even seconds, for that matter). It can happen instantly. So — that — is the reason why the matter is urgent — and not because of any of these other things.

I wouldn’t tie the “urgency of the Gospel of Jesus Christ” for someone to know and to accept for their personal salvation to anything having to do with signs or UFOs or weird things going on. They are not linked — as far as salvation of an individual goes.

And it has nothing to do with how close the Rapture is, or how close it is to Jesus Christ setting up the Kingdom of God on this earth and ruling or reigning over the nations of the world. That’s because everyone’s personal and individual destiny is separate from all these other issues that we talk about. The Bible says that *now* is the time for one to accept Jesus Christ as their Savior. It’s not tomorrow and/or it doesn’t have to do with what is going on around us.

[TaraP]

That is freakky!

YIKES!

[Star Traveler]

Well, I can see why he wants the aliens to go away — he’s got a lot of cows... LOL...

[mkjessup]

What the radar purposted to have shown was inconclusive.

You think that civilian air traffic controllers are in the habit of suggesting a military air intercept when faced with 'inconclusive' radar signals?

Tell us you're not THAT stupid.

The radar reflections, whetever they were, were not even in the area where the pilot claimed he saw the "mothership". They were behind the 747 in an area where the folks on the flightdeck could not see.

So what you're saying is that a veteran team of professional pilots (talking about the JAL plane) just suddenly either took leave of their senses, lost all of their combined experience, and went into a panic like student pilots in a one engine Cessna, eh?

Note that those pilots were in no way penalized for their report, nor were they prohibited from continuing to fly as was their profession. If there was the slightest doubt as to their competency, they would never have seen the inside of a cockpit again.

there was nothing to debunk.

So you say. You must be channeling Klass.

[TaraP]

The Signs that Jesus gave us was so we would know the season, the season is here IMO...Jesus does not want us to become docile or Lazy in sharing the gospel, and I will say when things are hunky dory, most people by a sinful human nature do not share or call on Jesus like, they always no matter what should...

So the signs I believe are *indicators* that change is coming...Frankly more people in the world look for the Change in Obama then they do in the LORD...

Signs that I read in the Bible is what I see happening in this lifetime, our lifetime....Yes Jesus can come any day he wants, but I believe he warns people of what is coming.

He did with the Flood to Noah and his clan, and to Lot and his clan when GOD poured his wrath on a sinful un-repentful world.

[topcat54]

“We need to do something NOW before it is TOO LATE!”

True, but I was talking about the gov't taking more of our hard earned money tracking down little green men. Money that we could be using to spread the gospel.

Do I want the feds to raise the budget for the FAA or USAF so they can find ET or Mr. Spock? Absolutely not. Let ET use his money to find us if it's so important.

We sent three manned missions to the moon, and landed the third time. We got out and walked around, surveyed the scenery, got back in and took off. Even the Vulcans landed and greeted the natives after Zefram Cochran tried out his warp drive.

So, the idea that these super intelligent, super advanced space aliens get their kicks out of buzzing a lone JAL cargo flight and scaring the sushi out of the pilot over remotest Alaska is pretty far fetched.

[Star Traveler]

Well, you should know, from what you’ve read of my posts, that I do think that the Rapture could come at any time, plus the fact that we do have ample evidence of being precisely in the right time for Christ’s return — so I’m not questioning that.

I’m just saying that we don’t need and shouldn’t “link” the necessity of the Gospel of Jesus Christ for a person’s salvation — with — how quickly the Rapture may be coming and how soon it will be for Tribulation and then the setting up of the Kingdom of God on this earth, with Jesus ruling and reigning over the nations.

To put it another way — it was *just as urgent* for people to be saved 100 years ago or 1,000 years ago — as now — no matter how close we are or no matter what we can see “of the season”...

So, mind you..., I didn’t say that one shouldn’t know and be interested in what God has shown us in the Bible about the things which are to come. That’s not the problem. The problem is that we should *not link* salvation of an individual (in terms of talking to them) with these things. They are *not linked*.

The reason why they are not linked is because a person can die at any moment and the Bible tells us that *today* is the day for salvation (for any *particular* individual to consider). It’s not tomorrow, it’s not before the Rapture, it’s not before all the prophecies happen — nope — it’s *today* (not tomorrow).

Now, you linked up salvation with these things happening and being aware of how close we were. I just don’t think that’s a valid “connection” at all. Salvation should not be linked to any of that stuff.

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Now, having said that salvation should not be linked to any of that stuff — in a “human sense”, and for a Christian, it sometimes does give a particular Christian *more motivation*, perhaps, to know that the time is short — but that happens to be a *human failing* and not an advantage. It’s a *human failing* because we should be motivated just *as highly* — if Christ was coming in the next day — as we should be motivated if we *absolutely knew* that Christ was not coming for another 1,000 years....

[topcat54]

You think that civilian air traffic controllers are in the habit of suggesting a military air intercept when faced with 'inconclusive' radar signals? Tell us you're not THAT stupid.

It may be SOP in these cases. We are talking about Alaska, after all. Arctic gateway to our enemies, or, should I say our “less friendlies”.

So what you're saying is that a veteran team of professional pilots

This thing as allaegedly flying around around them for thirty to forty minutes at fairly close range. They had a camera in the cockpit. They where Japanese for crying out loud, and they couldn’t manage to get a picture of this aircraft carrier-size, well-lit mothership. Some nonsense about only having ASA100 speed film in the camera. They are Japanese for crying out loud!! They take pictures of everything!! You shoot the film and push process it afterwards. Esp. if there is the chance someone is going to question your mental faculties afterwards.

They are Japanese for crying out loud!!

Amazing.

You must be channeling Klass.

Better than ET uncle.

[TaraP]

I see what you are saying....Many people I assume are not concerned with their own salvation, although I think at some point they will be and at that time and place it might be to late.....

[mkjessup]

You think that civilian air traffic controllers are in the habit of suggesting a military air intercept when faced with 'inconclusive' radar signals? Tell us you're not THAT stupid.
It may be SOP in these cases. We are talking about Alaska, after all. Arctic gateway to our enemies, or, should I say our “less friendlies”.

Ahhhh and the spin begins (or should I say 'continues'?)

So what you're saying is that a veteran team of professional pilots
This thing as allaegedly flying around around them for thirty to forty minutes at fairly close range. They had a camera in the cockpit. They where Japanese for crying out loud, and they couldn’t manage to get a picture of this aircraft carrier-size, well-lit mothership. Some nonsense about only having ASA100 speed film in the camera. They are Japanese for crying out loud!! They take pictures of everything!! You shoot the film and push process it afterwards. Esp. if there is the chance someone is going to question your mental faculties afterwards.
They are Japanese for crying out loud!!
Amazing.

That has got to be one of the most absurd and foolish things I have ever seen posted on FR, you've got a flight crew dealing with an unknown object flying in close proximity to their aircraft, obviously requiring their full attention, but YOU seem to think they should have behaved like tourists, got out the Nikon, and started snapping PICTURES?

Even IF that flight crew had abandoned all responsibility to start clicking the shutter for the likes of you, you would (after the fact) find yet another set of Klass-inspired reasons to naysay the photographs. You are as transparent as freshly Windex'd glass.

You must be channeling Klass.
Better than ET uncle.

You think those air traffic controllers (both military and civilian), AND the pilots were all channeling 'ET'?

I submit that if you had been up in the air with them, you would have crapped your pants and been removed from the plane as a whimpering, unnerved little baby.

[TaraP]

One thing I wanted to ask is about Chemtrails???

What is it..I was sent some crazy stuff on what it looks like apparently to many people across the globe

http://www.bluenomore.com

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ABT0N85WDf0

[Star Traveler]

I think it’s well and good for Christians to recognize how close we are to the Rapture (could take us at any moment...). And it’s important to see how we are in that time and “season” that the Lord talks about, in terms of Jacob’s trouble, the Tribulation and the setting up of His Kingdom.

I don’t think it does non-Christians too much good, though. That’s really not the issue for non-Christians, at all. The only issue for them to be concerned about is solely and simply personal salvation and nothing else. It shouldn’t matter to them (and they shouldn’t be concerned about) how close we are to the Rapture, or the Tribulation or the setting up of the Kingdom. That’s simply not the issue for the non-Christian, at all. To talk about those things with non-Christians is a total waste, non-productive and gets nowhere.

The issue with the non-Christian is strictly if they die in the next few minutes or hour or so, where will they be after that? Do they know? If not, they should know and be aware of what the Bible tells them about that.

In just about one hour, 6,460 people have died in the world. In the time that it took me to think about this and type it, let’s say about three minutes or so, 321 people have just died in the world. In the — very next minute — after reading this, another 107 people will have died. In about five seconds, another 9 people have died... It goes on and on without every stopping.