Posted on 04/02/2009 9:08:54 AM PDT by TaraP
MOSCOW. (Andrei Kislyakov, for RIA Novosti) - So do UFOs with little green men inside exist or not? CNN supposedly filmed a UFO moving at a great speed from the right to the left during the inauguration of President Barack Obama. (But those who watched the replay say it was a bird.)
After that, former President Clinton's White House Chief John Podesta, now one of Obama's closest associates, demanded that the thick UFO files be made public.
The number of UFO sightings has dramatically increased in recent times. According to Britain's Ministry of Defense, there were supposedly 285 UFO sightings in the UK in 2008, double the figure for 2007, when the number of alleged UFO sightings was reckoned at 137. (UFOs attacking Ukraine. Video UFO seen over Moscow during Russia - Netherlands match.
The defense departments of the United States and the Soviet Union scrupulously registered alleged sightings of UFOs for decades. American ufologists say that the U.S. authorities were quite serious about the UFO question in the 1940s through 1960s.
Project Blue Book, terminated in 1969, had two goals: to determine if UFOs were a threat to national security, and to scientifically analyze UFO-related data.
The USAF concluded that UFOs are not a threat to national security. Paradoxically, the military still refuse to provide information about UFOs for security reasons.
Ufologists insist that the USAF must give them access to certain documents, such as Project Moon Dust and Project Blue Fly.
Project Moon Dust was started in 1953, ostensibly to recover "returning space debris." Operation Blue Fly was launched to facilitate expeditious delivery to Foreign Technology Division of moon dust and other items of great technological intelligence interest. It is assumed that they were in fact connected with UFOs.
According to ufologists, the U.S. military also have kept the bodies of extraterrestrials who died in spaceship crashes over the United States.
The most widely known of such episodes, the Roswell Incident, took place in New Mexico on July 2, 1947, when an object crash-landed on a ranch approximately 75 miles northwest of Roswell, leaving a large field of debris.
The local air base at Roswell investigated the incident and announced that they had recovered a "flying disk." In fact, the crash was seen by a number of people. There were allegedly alien bodies found in the disk, but the film showing their autopsy was later denounced as a fraud.
If UFOs existed and military units were investigating them, there should also be a place for their deployment. This is Area 51, also known as Groom Lake, a secret military facility about 90 miles north of Las Vegas. At the center of it there is a large air base the government will not discuss about. The Roswell story speaks of alien bodies and wreckage being taken to a "Hangar 18" in Area 51.
Space photographs of the area show a huge landing strip crisscrossing the area and strange circles that can be interpreted as traces of landing of huge "flying saucers." Ufologists are convinced that this is so.
As President, George W. Bush moved Area 51 from the Nevada jurisdiction to that of the Pentagon and Washington. Slightly more than 10 years ago, civilian aircraft were prohibited to fly over the area.
The archives of the former Soviet Union are filled to capacity with data about contacts with extraterrestrials. They contain records of over 20,000 UFO sightings. The Academy of Sciences and the Defense Ministry both undertook investigations under the secret project names of Setka, Galaktika and Gorizont.
It is even said that "competent agencies," meaning the secret services, established contact with aliens and waited for their arrival to Earth. The media is now writing about a team of General Staff officers and academicians waiting for the arrival of an UFO in the Kyzylkum desert in June 1991.
Clearly, humans will always strive to search for beings of humanoid form in the Universe. But it is also apparent that apart from tall tales about "little green men" there are also facts that logically point to the presence of alien intelligence on the Earth.
In this case, maybe the time has come for the U.S. and Russian authorities to declassify information on unidentified flying objects and their masters?
You said — “The only solid proof I know of for UFO’s is the existence of Al Gore.”
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Ummmm..., yeah! Since Al Gore was born about 9 months after Roswell... LOL...
[that was enough time for those aliens to get their DNA machine cranked up...]
Well..., TaraP, you pinged me and others to this title — “Time to settle the ‘flying saucers’ question.....”
And my first thought to that was, “Not until the Second Coming of Christ...” LOL...
You were saying to TaraP — “If a bird flies by and you can’t identify the species, then, yes, it can be called a UFO... “
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One reason why I don’t like to use the word UFO, if I see something I didn’t recognize is because UFO — does not — mean that any more. LOL...
It basically means, in the minds of the public, that it’s craft that no one has conclusively identified, which is piloted by an alien from an advanced civilization out in space somewhere (for the most part).
So, I prefer to say that I saw something that I didn’t recognize. If someone asks me if I saw a UFO, I’ll say no — but rather — I just didn’t recognize what it was, even if it was moving through the sky.
However, I haven’t seen any objects that have concerned me enough, in terms of them not being identified when I saw them. I see too many things that I can’t identify and I just take that as “life” — it’s just the way it goes.
I see a flash of light, it could be a flash in a camera going off, lightning in the sky, or a car headlight swinging by me when I wasn’t looking, someone with a big hand-held spotlight and a bunch of other stuff. It’s not alien lights, for sure... LOL...
I see too much of that and, still, I don’t ever recall seeing a UFO in the popular sense.
I hear noises in the sky at times. It could be a number of things. One time I heard big booms over the hills (quite a large and repetitive noise, over several minutes). Fortunately for my “understanding” of what was going on, I happened to know that I was about 30 or so miles away from a U.S. Army Ammunition Depot... :-) If I hadn’t known that and I was more suspicious of things, I might think it was something related to “UFOs” (doncha know...).
I hear noises in the house, and creaks and groans. I basically ignore them. Houses are noisy. I see shadows sometimes, moving just out of my eyesight. But, at other times, I catch them in “just enough time” to identify them as a common object moving (perhaps a bird flew by the window and the sun was shining in and it made a quick moving shadow in the living room..., stuff like that happens all the time).
If I were worried about every single thing I couldn’t identify all during the day (and there are *lots* of them happening, all the time) I would go crazy, and think “the world is coming to an end”.
Now, the world may be coming to an end, but it’s not the creaks and groans of my house, or the flashing lights I see, or the booms I hear or the shadows that flit by, out of the corner of my eye — that are going to cause it... LOL...
Nope, the world (or this current “age”) is coming to an end, when Jesus Christ returns to this earth and sets up His Kingdom and rules over all the nations of the world (and that won’t have anything to do with the lights I see and the shadows flitting by, and the booms that I hear...).
You were saying to topcat54 — “had a father who was a Korean War fighter pilot who had a UFO encounter”
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And that makes me wonder what those pilots in World War 2 thought when they saw the first jet planes that the Germans had, when they zipped by the Allied planes. That must have scared them half-to-death seeing those for the first time, too... LOL...
Oh, having been in intelligence I can asure you they had gotten some briefings about future technologies even if they hadn’t seen the technology in action
remember the guys who had “the right stuff” had a lot of clues about what was possible in aviation
The thing about pilots (and others in aviation like the tower personnel who witnessed a giant UFO over a dock at
O’Hare airport in November a few yaears ago)...
they can look at a craft in motion and tell you if the laws of physics (or whatever) physically “allow” a pilot or craft to do what they are seeing it do.
the universal theme of those who report UFO’s (many don’t because ridicule and intimdation are the usual responses) ) is that what they see is incompatible with the known laws of physics. That is what the JAL pilot is saying on his conversation with the Alaska tower. “Hey, they can’t DO that???”
Youjnknnow what is most convincing to me on that tape? The tone of voice by those military pilots talking to the tower...and the answer they got
They had obviously been briefed about what happened to JAL
unfortunately my father NEVER told anyone what he had seen except my mother
he knew guys who reported these things ended up getting debriefed endlessly by spooks and shrinks and maybe losing their jobs, and he did love to fly
and she never told me until several years ago at a funeral
You asked — “Has anyone else had a UFO sighting?”
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Well, there was one time that I went to the Trinity site on the White Sands Missile range, in New Mexico. It was a day or two later, and while seeing the sights and other things around in the area (like the VLA, the Very Large Array, for example, http://www.vla.nrao.edu/ ), I was driving by the front gate for entering the Trinity site, and it was late at night and I stopped off the side of the road to see the night sky and just look around — and then I saw some weird looking lights off in the distance over the White Sands Missile range.
Hey, I don’t know what it was, and it seemed like it was moving in my direction and not moving in a very straight line, either... LOL... It was sort of ominous looking and I just didn’t feel like sticking around to see what it looked like when it got closer, so I hopped in the car and drove back to the hotel in Socorro... LOL...
Was it a UFO — nahhh..., I don’t think so — it was just a light in the sky moving around and I didn’t know what it was, and I didn’t stick around to find out, either... :-)
Oh..., and I did head over to Roswell, in the next day or two after that, to check out things, there, too... :-) They’ve got a nice little UFO Museum there, and all sorts of UFO paraphernalia.
SOP FOR SOME NAYSAYERS! LOL.
I need to finish this stuff again now that lunch is over and get back to the pottery lab.
Stanton Friedman demonstrated repeatedly what an idiot Klass was.
Besides, IIRC, Klass was a paid government shill.
What the radar purposted to have shown was inconclusive. The radar reflections, whetever they were, were not even in the area where the pilot claimed he saw the "mothership". They were behind the 747 in an area where the folks on the flightdeck could not see.
They didn't.
That was becuase there was nothing to debunk.
Hi Quix, you were saying — “FACED WITH SOLID INCONTROVERTIBLE FACTS”
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The problem I have with this kind of stuff is not the fact of a bunch of people seeing something — but rather — *what* it is that they are seeing. That’s more important to me and it’s simply “unidentified” — and there are *no facts* as to what various things are, which happen to be seen from time to time. The only “facts” (it seems to this day) is simply in the area of “something was seen”... and that’s about it.
And so, the “rest of it” — is not “fact” but a whole bunch of speculation about what it actually is that was seen. That’s what is *not fact* — in all these matters.
Now, you know what I think they are, but I’m not bringing that up here. And I’ve been catching myself up on all sorts of other theories and “speculations” as to what others think these things are.
I don’t think they are aliens from other advanced space civilizations coming here to visit earth and happen to be sighted by earthlings, as they flit about, from here to there. AND, for that — there is *absolutely no proof* or facts on that particular speculation. That’s the speculation that I’m resistant to — not the fact of “seeing something”...
INDEED.
YUP! INDEED!
However, facts like that don’t influence the brain dead, the willfully blind and those lacking ears to hear and eyes to see.
INTERESTING.
Rather congruent with all I know.
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