Posted on 03/20/2009 7:59:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
In a recent book review, Jerry Coyne, professor of ecology and evolution at the University of Chicago, admitted that the secular worldview of macroevolution (the development of complex life from “simpler” forms) is at odds with Christian faith...
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You cannot reconcile Genesis with Darwin in any way, shape or form
I use the KJV, and that much detail is not there. Are you sure you are not reading in what is not there? My version says god created man. It doesn’t say how.
you must reconcile Genesis with Darwin
explain the days of creation, their order, with Darwin
oe else call the Bible a lie
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible unless, of course, one is a Christian of weak faith.
Do you have a FReeper profile?
Is every single thing about you in it?
One can (many do) presume much because something is not written.
I’m shocked! Shocked to find that gambling is going on in here! ...
Evolution and Christianity are perfectly compatible if you believe the Bible is only allegory, that it doesn’t really means what it says.
They are hardly equal statements.
Debating the exact age of the earth is not a point in itself that saves or condemns anyone, but what I quoted from Scripture is totally relevant to whether one is (or can be) saved or not. What I quoted you was God’s Word concerning what a fool is. What you quoted me was your own personal opinion that is not equal to the Word of God, and that particular issue by itself has no bearing on a person’s salvation. Apples and oranges.
The bible is allegorical.
Whats your beef? You Cretins have been saying the same thing. I think you are both wrong.
To hold that position you have to reject what ‘your book’ the Bible, says about creation. The creation account is given in the text. You are inventing things into it that are not there when you adopt the hybrid ‘creation and evolution are both true’ viewpoint.
The sequence of the days in the creation process in the Bible is the exact same sequence as astrophysicist have decided the earth came about from a condensing nebular cloud.
The creation of man is in one verse. Not much detail in how that was accomplished.
From my standpoint, two reasons: 1) He didn't need it; and most importantly, 2) the Bible says nothing about it.
As Isaiah quoted God, “My thoughts are not your thoughts.”
Great quote. Apropos of it, when satan was trying to tempt God, the former said: "Prove you're God by changing these stones into bread". The Latter could have said, "Who needs stones? I can make bread out of bread, or I can make bread out of nothing." Instead He said, "It is written...", and insisted that the higher priority is the Word of God -- which, again, says nothing about evolution (or the changing of rocks into people).
Thanks for the thought-provoking post.
The day of man, the generations of man was the 6th Day. You presume much if you are to hold the position that all of the days in Genesis are of equal length.
Fine, presume then that they are all of equal length, but the 6th day is not over yet from our perspective. Try reading the text with a more keen eye.
We live in the 6th Creational Day according to what the text actually says. We are the children of Adam. Can you really not see it?
It is not that difficult to perceive, if one simply regards the words as they are.
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Gen 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
We know that he was formed from a rich red dust or clay because the term “Adam” literally means “red clay man”. God derived the hemoglobin iron complex in Adam’s blood from the rich iron oxide pigments in the red dust. Many dusts and clays of the world have all the things necessary to form living tissue, especially when Godly power is applied to form proteins and DNA from the substances at hand. As Christ himself once said”The Father knows how to make the very stones into Sons of Abraham!”
I have a unique way of reading the scriptures...I believe what it says, even if I don't understand what it says...
Gen 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
Gen 1:25 And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
These verses (amd others) tell us some disturbing things...
One thing it tells us is that God created birds after their own kind...HuH??? That suggests birds existed before God's creation as we know it...And it also tells us that birds did not evolve from something else...They were CREATED after their own kind...
And the scriptures discuss the creation of other animals in the same manner...
Most people just pretend these verses don't exist...
And then God on to say:
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
The animals were created after THEIR kind and Adam was created after God's kind...Absolutely 100%, zero evolution...
Look, the order of creation is nearly identical, plants, fish, birds, mammals.
Also, what does a “day” mean? The Bible also discusses the “end of days” which means: THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A BEGINNING OF DAYS!
So a Biblical “day” means what, exactly?
Also, why is it considered “immoral” to think man might be in the same evolutionary chain as “monkeys” but -—
Perfectly OK to believe that God made man from “HUMAS” or DIRT which is nothing more than the decayed remains of other plants and animals. (INCLUDING MONKEYS!)
Try to give an account, to uneducated, illiterate people, 4,000 years ago, about how life began on Earth.
They know nothing of DNA.
They know nothing of cell structure.
To say that man was made from dirt, the smallest particle that they understood at that time -— is nothing short of pure, God inspired GENIUS, as it is the only thing they understood, that was remotely like what happened.
Therefore, Genesis is an honest account of creation, made to people who could not possibly comprehend the full story.
End of story.
If you do not believe it is possible that life began millions of years ago, than it is YOU who lacks faith.
“Put not the Lord, your God, to the Test” Jesus said to Satan.
When you try to force Christians to accept impossible ideas, you only weaken faith, at least, when those ideas, themselves, have no bearing at all on salvation.
God is laughing at us, for even having these arguments.
They can be interesting, yes, but far too often we try to make litmus tests out of the evolution vs creation debate.
Frankly, the extremes on both sides are childish.
Tautology, the needless repetition of a thought or concept using different words, is a methodology used by both sides when lacking a real understanding of the either or both sides of the argument. Although it is fun to debate one’s position, I hold little hope of making converts.Faith cannot be scientifically defined, proven, or quantified and a lack of faith can not be comprehended by the faithful.
The Bible doesn’t say anything about DNA either, but there it is. A lot of things are not in the Bible. The Bible says the essential point: God caused it to happen. Everything else doesn’t matter. And everyone who gets in a dither over evolution, I think are wasting their time. Worse than that they destroy faith by getting young people to pit their faith against needless straw men. By not letting the question to be rightly open we put the young in the position of not accepting science without losing their faith.
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