Posted on 03/20/2009 7:59:40 PM PDT by GodGunsGuts
In a recent book review, Jerry Coyne, professor of ecology and evolution at the University of Chicago, admitted that the secular worldview of macroevolution (the development of complex life from “simpler” forms) is at odds with Christian faith...
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Testing Poe’s law?
OK, I see where your cuteness is heading. No corruption, decay or death. You’re assuming that, by decay, I mean the biological action of bacteria feeding off of vegetable matter, whether digested, or as fallen parts of plants. Remember, no animal matter. They didn’t die.
So, try to think of decay as the decline due to disease (corruption) and the deline of aging, much like an old building is described as decayed. That sort of decay, not bacteria feeding.
To continue, running with this string of suppositions, based upon what is known from Genesis, I’ll suppose bacteria had plant matter and fecal matter to feed off of, in the absence of dead animal matter. In this way, their behavior changed, possibly just opportunistically, after the fall, much as man had to toil to produce food from the ground, plants sprouted thorns ... they were cursed, and is still, LomanBill. All Creation groans in anticipation of liberation from it. You do recall that, don’t you? I’m jumping out of Genesis and into Romans. If you want chapter and verse, I’m sure you’ll let me know.
Does that help you out?
>>Macroevolution attempts to explain creation without
>>a Creator
No, Secular Humanist hijacking of the model of Macroevolution does that. The idea that Faith and Evolution are incompatible serves atheism far more than it does The Church. Certainly no other issue has been so useful for driving a wedge between logic, reason, and Faith - and thus driving individuals away from hearing the Gospel as well.
You're really reaching here. In order to make an Edenic existence as described in the Bible seem impossible, you'd have immortal turds, as if they're living creatures. Bizarre.
It was Godless from the outset. If there's any hijacking going on, it's being done in a misguided attempt at accomodating worldliness.
>>Remember, no animal matter. They didn’t die.
You’ve admited dung contains bacteria.
Did these bacteria die when their habbitat dried out in the sun?
And what did spiders do for food before the fall? What did they catch in their webs?
>>I’m jumping out of Genesis and into Romans.
Ah, but I don’t think evolution is ungodly at all; just it’s misdirected abuse.
>>you’d have immortal turds,
You’re the one claiming decay didn’t exist prior to the fall; and sans decay, immortal turds is exactly what you’d have.
Now, back to the biological carrying capacity of your “perfect little biosphere”.
Was the Earth the same size then as it is now?
For a glimpse of the atrocities committed by the Roman Catholic religion, do a net search on the Inquisition or the Crusades. During the Inquisition, the Catholic religion killed millions. Why? Primarily to suppress any and all opposition to the pope. Side “benefits” included taking the material wealth of its victims and showing the pope’s power. The Catholic Inquisitors tortured, crippled, burned, and imprisioned millions of people. Whatever happened to love your enemies? (Matthew 5:44)
Absolutely, what you want is a winning party made up of Libertarians and RINO's, the fact that the party has to sell its soul matters little to you.
We have a long line of losers that agree with you. GW was a narrow exception, less than 50% of the vote, but he was certainly no conservative.
I am not saying one has to be Christian to be conservative, but John Adams certainly thought it wa important.
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." --October 11, 1798 John Adams "We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net.
>>Quantum mechanics, while noble in its foundations,
>>has devolved into mystical belief system of little
>>use to engineers or anyone else.
Obviously the application of Quantum Mechanics in every computer disk drive is the work of the Devil.
Please throw your computer into the trash immediately and douse it with holy water just to be sure any evile spirits are dispatched.
"Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great pillars of human happiness, these firmest props of the duties of men and citizens. The mere politician, equally with the pious man, ought to respect and to cherish them. A volume could not trace all their connections with private and public felicity. Let it simply be asked: Where is the security for property, for reputation, for life, if the sense of religious obligation desert the oaths which are the instruments of investigation in courts of justice ? And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Whatever may be conceded to the influence of refined education on minds of peculiar structure, reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle."--from President George Washington's farewell address, 1796
Do you really want to spend the rest of this evening and many more, dealing with every creature whose dietary habits now involve the death of another living creature? You reject Genesis. I don’t. That’s established.
A question: do you honestly not believe that the God of the Bible could have created the Earth, and all that is in it, with just a word, in an instant? Do you really have such a limited concept of His power, that you do not believe He could have created this Earth and all that is in it, in six literal days?
You really should take a look at and seriously consider, another future Earth in the Bible, involving just such an Edenic existence, without corruption, decay and death. Do you also reject the Restoration? You’ve got a problem with more than just Genesis, if you do reject it.
>>You reject Genesis. I don’t. That’s established.
No I don’t.
Answer the question:
What did spiders catch in their webs prior to the fall?
How did anything relating to the Fall come about, LomanBill? I say toe-may-toe, you say toe-mah-toe. You don't even think it happened, regardless of the consequences for the religion you profess to follow. Your first love is clearly science, and God is secondary to you.
I have no idea. Your turn. What did spiders catch in their webs prior to the fall?
Example: Buddhists pray the same prayer verbally or written over and over again to a mechanical God.. Sometimes they put prayers on a machine(prayer wheel) to repeat the iterations.. obviously to a mechanical God..
I see God as an artist.. whatever something is made to be, it is.. You know like a Giraffe.. or Venus.. My God need not be perfect.. which(concept) may not even exist.. I like the concept of completeness instead of perfection.. The road to completeness may be artistic... not mechanical..
Prayer itself may be an artistic form.. a spiritual creation..
Calling into existence things that can be or already are..
A spiritual painting with spiritual paint... painted as the spirit gives you utterance..
>>LomanBill: What did spiders catch in their webs prior to the fall?
>>RegulatorCountry: I have no idea.
You have no idea. Ok.
Were there spiders before the fall? Did they spin webs?
Answer the question.
What did spiders catch in their webs before the fall?
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