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Two U.S. Navy Ships Collide in Strait of Hormuz, Injuring 15
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Posted on 03/20/2009 6:48:01 AM PDT by Scythian

MANAMA, Bahrain — The U.S. Navy's 5th Fleet says two of its vessels — a submarine and an amphibious ship — collided in the Strait of Hormuz between Iran and the Arabian peninsula early Friday.

The military says in a statement that the collision occurred around 1:00 a.m. local time on Friday (5 p.m. EDT, Thursday).

The USS Hartford, a submarine, collided with an amphibious ship, the USS New Orleans.

According to the Bahrain-based 5th Fleet, 15 soldiers aboard the Hartford were slightly injured but able to return to duty. No injuries were reported aboard the New Orleans.

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TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: hormuz; submarine; tm; usnavy; usshartford; ussneworleans
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To: rightwingextremist1776
Wasn’t Carter a sub commander?

No.

81 posted on 03/20/2009 7:48:01 AM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Tallguy
Hadn't thought about lateral slippage. Good point. A subs keel, or centerboard, is on the top, and doesn't do squat unless submerged..
82 posted on 03/20/2009 7:50:06 AM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: AndyJackson

If they did have soldiers onboard, they may have been doing some shallow water or close to the surface stuff.


83 posted on 03/20/2009 7:50:08 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: stuartcr

Barney Frank was a submariner?


84 posted on 03/20/2009 7:52:01 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: mgc1122

Yup.


85 posted on 03/20/2009 7:59:04 AM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: al baby

The one that I always hated:

140 men go down, 70 couples come up!

-former Bubblehead


86 posted on 03/20/2009 8:07:16 AM PDT by montomike (Politics should be about service and not a lucrative, money-making opportunity!)
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To: montomike

I love the ocean but to go down in a sub you gotta be nutz your half way to being sunk my hats off to those who do serve on those things


87 posted on 03/20/2009 8:11:33 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: RedCell
A sub is not a ship. It’s a boat.

Sorry, I busy looking at the map, er, I mean chart ....
88 posted on 03/20/2009 8:13:02 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Red Right Returning


89 posted on 03/20/2009 8:14:52 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: sten

any port will do?


90 posted on 03/20/2009 8:15:43 AM PDT by al baby (Hi Mom)
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To: al baby

I took a charting and navigating course with the Coast Guard, we learned how to use dead reckoning, use the Compass Rose to chart (true north vs magnetic north and all that stuff). They hold these courses for free, we’ve done some sailing so we decided to take them. Very worth while I thought.


91 posted on 03/20/2009 8:18:14 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: KoRn

Did they mention the sex of the ship captain?


92 posted on 03/20/2009 8:21:06 AM PDT by oldironsides
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To: mgc1122

By the time you completed that post I am rather certain that bags were packed.


93 posted on 03/20/2009 8:21:31 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: EricT.

the article has already been corrected on the Fox website


94 posted on 03/20/2009 8:23:18 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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To: MyTwoCopperCoins

Let me slip on the tin foil hat. One could suggest that either someone, or some thing is messing with the GPS systems. It could be a natural phenomenon, or it could be someone sending us a message.

I wonder who that could be?


95 posted on 03/20/2009 8:23:35 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (Ein Volk, Ein Riech, Ein Ein.)
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To: AFreeBird

I’ve been contradicted by fellow Freeper Andy Jackson. See his post #54 wherein he states that the sub should have been able to avoid the collision. I’ll defer to his expertise since he’s “Been There, Done That.”

I was re-stating an analysis that I had read pertaining to an earlier incident a few years back (think it was in the Med). It sounded reasonable, but the sub sailors don’t buy it.


96 posted on 03/20/2009 8:26:27 AM PDT by Tallguy ("The sh- t's chess, it ain't checkers!" -- Alonzo (Denzel Washington) in "Training Day")
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To: Scythian

There’s a disturbing trend going on, with this the third or fourth such accident I’ve seen in recent months. What’s going on with shiphandling and basic seamanship in the USN these days???


97 posted on 03/20/2009 8:26:34 AM PDT by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin is a smart missile aimed at the heart of the left!)
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To: Rebelbase

Could be...


98 posted on 03/20/2009 8:27:28 AM PDT by stuartcr (If the end doesn't justify the means...why have different means?)
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To: AndyJackson
Don't know and don't care about the amphib ship. I am only concerned with the dishonor to the silent service.

There's no dishonor if those responsible find new career paths, effective immediately. We don't know how this happened, although my guess is that the submarine was shallow (the other option is that the amphib went deep, but that seems unlikely). A quick investigation will provide the truth, but a second guess is that everybody was at fault, if the sub was at least broached: both COs, both XOs, possibly the navigators, and certainly the OODs. Someone did a really dumb thing, but everybody failed to anticipate that blunder and to be ready to react to prevent that one blunder from leading to an oopsie, and for that reason they all need to find new career paths.

99 posted on 03/20/2009 8:27:37 AM PDT by TurtleUp (Turtle up: cancel optional spending until 2012, and boycott TARP/stimulus companies forever!)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

She’s an Amphib, whether she actually makes beach transitions or not.
Her ship type is Amphibious Transport Dock.
Her assignment is as part of the Amphibious Fleet.

What exactly is your point?


100 posted on 03/20/2009 8:31:39 AM PDT by BlueNgold (... Feed the tree!)
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