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Testing the Law or Exercising His Rights? Local Man Walks into Restaurant with Holstered Gun
fox8.com ^ | March 19, 2009 | Elisa Amigo

Posted on 03/19/2009 11:24:04 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar

Police say he was "testing" the law, but one local gunowner says he was exercising his right to bear arms.

Tuesday evening, witnesses called police after a man with a gun in a holster was spotted walking in the Taco Bell restaurant on Day Drive in Parma.

Although the Taco Bell restaurant did not have any signs prohibiting weapons from being on the property, customers grew nervous.

The gunowner, Bill Carlisle, says as soon as he walked out of the restaurant, he was surrounded by police. "I came, I ate my dinner, I walked out and there the police were. The first thing they asked me was to stay where I was and put my hands on my head," says Carlisle.

Parma police captain Robert De Simone says Carlisle pulled out a tape recorder and then complied with the officers orders.

"An officer would have to be a moron to go up and talk to someone without saying put your hands away from the weapon," says De Simone. After running a background check, Carlisle's gun was returned. He was not arrested or charged.

Unless there a signs prohibiting weapons from being allowed on the property, police say according to Ohio's "open carry" law, any law-abiding citizen is allowed to carry a loaded weapon in public as long as it's not concealed.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; freepthispoll; shallnotbeinfringed
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1 posted on 03/19/2009 11:24:05 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar
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To: dynachrome

Freep poll at link.


2 posted on 03/19/2009 11:24:44 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: Jet Jaguar
In Israel, people carry loaded rifles on public buses and no one bats an eye. Yes, loaded. Uzis and M-16s. So what is the big deal if a patron goes with a holstered gun into a Taco Bell restaurant?

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

3 posted on 03/19/2009 11:28:52 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I did it all the time while living in New Mexico and Arizona.


4 posted on 03/19/2009 11:33:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Atlas Shrugged Mode: ON)
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To: goldstategop

This is why Texas needs to leave the union - we still have a tradition of open carry of long arms and we’d like to keep it, thank you very much...


5 posted on 03/19/2009 11:34:11 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

I would be more worried about what the food will do to me in 12 hours then what the guy with the gun could do.


6 posted on 03/19/2009 11:34:24 PM PDT by LukeL (Yasser Arafat: "I'd kill for a Nobel Peace Prize")
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To: goldstategop

I think the big deal is that the customer might have to shoot his burrrrrito before trying to eat it.


7 posted on 03/19/2009 11:38:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Spktyr
If they had a guy like that in Luby's in Kileen in 1994, all those people might be alive today. Someone could have shot the psychopath who sought a mass slaughter dead before he could do it. Unarmed sheeple are dangerous to us all.

"Show me just what Mohammed brought that was new, and there you will find things only evil and inhuman, such as his command to spread by the sword the faith he preached." - Manuel II Palelologus

8 posted on 03/19/2009 11:38:28 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop
Yup.


9 posted on 03/19/2009 11:46:48 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

Should you be allowed to carry a holstered gun in public?

Absolutely (4358 responses) 92.9%
Not Really Sure (56 responses) 1.2%
No Way (279 responses) 5.9%
4693 total responses

(Results not scientific)


10 posted on 03/19/2009 11:50:30 PM PDT by RebelTex
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To: LukeL
I would be more worried about what the food will do to me in 12 hours then what the guy with the gun could do.

Concerned about an accidental discharge?

11 posted on 03/19/2009 11:59:23 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Concerned about an accidental discharge?"

That would depend on the sanitation practices of the restaurant.

12 posted on 03/20/2009 12:12:00 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: Jet Jaguar

He has the right to open carry, and restaurant managers have their property right to check weapons (keep them, until the customer leaves) or to make him to leave the weapon elsewhere.

...same with you all keeping strangers’ weapons off of your home places, if you wish. Imagine some strange goon wearing a pistol and knocking on your door, while you’re at work.

And I reiterate that have Second Amendment rights to open carry on public properties, friends’ properties (if they wish) and our own private properties. ...that from the experience of checking pistols in night clubs for owners of those night clubs (when I was young and dumb enough to work in that kind of place).


13 posted on 03/20/2009 12:17:06 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Spktyr
"This is why Texas needs to leave the union - we still have a tradition of open carry of long arms and we’d like to keep it, thank you very much..."

I've been told that's true, except when you're in your car on Texas highways. ...was recently told by a Texan that on the highways in Texas, firearms have to be zipped up in firearms cases and unloaded.


14 posted on 03/20/2009 12:21:13 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: Jet Jaguar

BTW, I checked “absolutely,” even though Fox News presented the straw man in the story. :-)

Should you be allowed to carry a holstered gun in public?

*

Absolutely (4377 responses)

92.9%
*

Not Really Sure (56 responses)

1.2%
*

No Way (280 responses)

5.9%

4713 total responses

(Results not scientific)


15 posted on 03/20/2009 12:24:22 AM PDT by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: blackbart.223

Strangely enough, the four rules of gun safety apply here.


16 posted on 03/20/2009 12:33:06 AM PDT by Slings and Arrows (Can't get enough of my snarking? http://twitter.com/slingsandarrows)
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To: Jet Jaguar
"An officer would have to be a moron to go up and talk to someone without saying put your hands away from the weapon,"....

An officer IS a moron if he thinks someone who is about to shoot him is going to put his hands on top of his head, instead.

17 posted on 03/20/2009 12:38:10 AM PDT by Misterioso (Obama was elected not in spite of his color but because of it.)
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To: Slings and Arrows
"Strangely enough, the four rules of gun safety apply here."

I'm not sure you got the joke about "accidental discharge". Late in the night after eating in a crappy restaurant. You hope you make it to the toilet in time.

18 posted on 03/20/2009 12:40:43 AM PDT by blackbart.223 (I live in Northern Nevada. Reid doesn't represent me.)
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To: goldstategop
In Israel, people carry loaded rifles on public buses and no one bats an eye. Yes, loaded. Uzis and M-16s. So what is the big deal if a patron goes with a holstered gun into a Taco Bell restaurant?

But, but, but... GUNS KILL PEOPLE! I mean, he could have been enjoying his tacos but who KNOWS what carnage his pistol may have wreaked unattended!

/sarc

19 posted on 03/20/2009 12:57:43 AM PDT by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: familyop

In NJ, the only way you can openly carry is if you posess a CCW, which we know citizens can rarely ever obtain. That is very ambiguous to say the least. That being said, if a LEO sees you openly carrying in NJ, be prepared to get a mouthful of asphalt, firearm confiscated, and a slew of charges filed against you. There is no provision for the 2nd amendment in the State Constitution, nor does there exist and amendment guaranteeing the RIGHT to hunt, fish, and bear arms. Not that anyone’s surprised.....


20 posted on 03/20/2009 12:59:14 AM PDT by Seamus Mc Gillicuddy (Great minds discuss ideas, medium minds discuss events, small minds discuss people.)
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