Posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"What kind of revolution appeals most to you?" read the now-deleted poll question on Sean Hannity's message board: "Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?"
The next four to eight years are gonna be some fun!
Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.
We all had a good laugh this past December when Igor Panarin, dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats, predicted that the financial crisis would eventually lead to widespread unrest, martial law, and, by 2010, a civil war in the US — the end result of which would be a motley collection of rump states like "Atlantic America" and the "Texas Republic," that then glom onto countries such as Canada and Mexico. It's an absurd idea.
Or is it? Perusing some of the sheer insanity spewed on rightist blogs, message boards, and comment threads — the pitchfork-shaking anger directed at this so-called socialist government — one has to wonder just what's percolating in this country. Maybe the big break-up is coming sooner than we think?
Obama talks a lot about his affinity for Abraham Lincoln. Let's just hope he doesn't end up having too much in common with the guy — that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.
People are pissed. New faux-populist hero Rick Santelli has been enjoining citizens to register their disgust with the stimulus plan and budget by bombarding the White House and Capitol with tea bags — get it?! (The phenomenon has apparently caused headaches for workers charged with the safety screening of DC mail.) Meanwhile, 4000 people gathered this past Saturday for a so-called "Cincinnati Tea Party." Read one sign: HONK IF I'M PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE.
But protests do only so much. More and more, it seems, nothing less than outright secession will satisfy some of these cranks. The right-wing Web is all atwitter over a recent open letter, spreading from blog to blog like a hanta virus, by one "John J. Wall, Law Student and an American." In it, Wall puts it plainly: he wants a divorce.
"Let's just end it on friendly terms," he writes. "We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. . . . Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military." (What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)
Ironically, when not busy fomenting revolution or concocting a plan to carve up the continental US, conservatives act a lot like the "hippies" that Wall went on to lambaste in his letter — thumbing their nose at authority and threatening to drop out of society.
It was reported on military.com last month that a soldier, First Lieutenant Scott Easterling, who is stationed in Iraq, has balked at following orders: "Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review," he declared, "I will consider him neither my commander in chief nor my president, but rather, a usurper to the office — an impostor."
And the latest bit of in(s)anity making the rounds in conservative circles in is the notion of "going Galt," in which angry rich people protest Obama's fiscal policies by following the lead of John Galt —übermensch protagonist of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged — and removing their ostensibly valuable productivity from society.
Why? Because "a general strike among the wealth producers," as Michelle Malkin calls it, will help keep that wealth out of the grubby hands of the lower classes — those "moochers who claim your product by tears," in Rand's piquant description. Sigh.
Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People's Republic of Massafornia? Probably not. But maybe! Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.
I guess when we are both in a barbed wire compound standing in line for a cup of fish eye soup, will it be "time" then to consider other means?
It also does not allow the FedGov to remain legitimate if it exceeds it's Constitutional mandate.
Which it has, by a large margin. By any reasonable standard.
That isn't "drama". That's cold hard fact. The Founders rebelled agaisnt King George for far less than what we consider commonplace.
“Two wrongs do not make a right”
What, are we on a Kindergarten playground here?
With ACORN alone getting additional BILLIONS of dollars for their vote fraud scheme will ensure your dream of getting more conservative candidates elected never comes to fruition.
Colonel, the only thing you forgot - was to start out your original statement with “Tsk..Tsk..”
You either fail to relise that we STAND on principal and are not looking for a fight - but will happily take one on for those priciples, or...you place “can’t we all just get along” fantasy above those principles.
Sooner or later push comes to shove - and Tsk..Tsk.. If your caught unawares.
And as far as General Lee, always a gentlemen - and did not care for a fight, though certainly did not shy away from one when called for.
Obama's socialist policy nonsense does not equal Stalinism. If that was the case, Israel would be a Stalinist state. Obama is no more of a Stalin than George Bush was a Hitler. But everybody tends to think that the opposition's president is the Son of Evil.
That’s why the 10th amendment movement is so important.
States need to declare and enforce their sovereignty.
If the fedgov has to recognize that and backs down, problem solved.
If they don’t, then they can’t say we didn’t try legitimate avenues before telling them to piss off.
Our freedoms have been decimated since the days of Woodrow Wilson. When the nation wakes up to that fact, they will elect more Reagans as we did in 1980 and it will be such a tide that ACORN's goals will be swept away. The misery of socialist policy will prove its best cure.
That is not my question. My question is at what point on the road to tyranny does the idea of "rebellion" not sound silly anymore? Can different people reach that conclusion earlier than others? Of course they can, and considering the unconsiderable is both prudent and wise.
You see, the fact that this is being written about by a Boston elitest Yankee forces me to consider it, whether you think it silly or not.
Clinton didn't take such a hard turn to the Left as Obama has done. (whether Obama is in agreement or just too much of a wuss to stand up to Emanuel and Holder, who knows? it doesn't matter) Clinton didn't have the Congressional makeup that Obama does, and after two years the R's took back Congress...and then pissed away their opportunity. Should be an interesting four years if we make it that far. I'm starting to think the only legitimate/realistic outcome is to allow the US to split itself into two countries. I'm tired of dealing with the 50% of the population that is 1) either suffering from Marxism and income guilt and wants to screw with my 50% or, 2)a parasite that expects government to give them everything. Le them have their urban quagmires.
He’s misguided, but still an American; I have been in the place emotionall you have been before, but on the way back from Indianapolis one day I got to thinking: Do we really want WAR? No, what we want is freedom, liberty, an Constitutional government: that also got me to thinking that we need God on our side if we are to win, which means we must use His methods- we should prepare (though our state/local governments for “sovereignty” and do this the legal way..we want to make sure in the Eyes of Heaven and the American people that the Feds are the guilty ones here..not us (in starting a revolution) through their blatant violation of their Federal Constitutional Oaths, we NEED to have the high-ground or we WILL most probably fail. Let’s prepare in the meantime (it will really freak out the socialists), but let ‘them’ be the agressors..hey you never know many of them may end up on ‘our-side’ sooner or later ;-)!
At this point, there is no way to get the two sides together.
They want collectivism, no dissent, and total control over people’s lives (energy, food, travel, educating children).
We want capitalism, individualism, and traditional FAMILIES as the core unit of society.
They will not allow us to just “live and let live” - it’s antithetical to their ideology.
That statement makes no sense. Had Lee believed secession was illegal he would not have resigned his commission from the Army to fight for VA.
I respectfully disagree, CK. As you pointed out by your quoting of the DoI, the framers understood that revolution may be necessary. Additionally, they stated that, "...when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
We have reached the saturation point. We are being made to deal with abuses and usurpations. The government is creating tax law to get back money that wasn't theirs to give, they are passing laws in direct opposition to the Constitution (FOCA mandates health organizations to perform abortions or lose Federal funding), and they are attempting to literally remove the voice and the fangs of the Conservative movement by silencing opposition on talk radio and passing inane gun control laws to disarm the law abiding.
If now isn't the time, CK, then when is the time? Additionally, I agree with you that we need to promote strong Conservative and Constitutional ideas, but when the deck is stacked against us in the polls (there's mounting evidence of voter fraud and ballot box stuffing) and the courts won't hear a case about the LEGALITY of our President's birth certificate, then we really have nothing left to help us attain freedom. They have legislated away our freedoms. When do we stop them?
That's the best, most concise description of this war I've ever read.
This little turd really thinks this is all about the election. ROTFLMBO.
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