Posted on 03/19/2009 3:34:51 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
"What kind of revolution appeals most to you?" read the now-deleted poll question on Sean Hannity's message board: "Military Coup, Armed Rebellion, or War for Secession?"
The next four to eight years are gonna be some fun!
Barely two months into the Obama administration, wing-nuts across the land are frothing at the mouth, talking feverishly of secession, violent revolution, tax revolt, "going Galt," and national divorce. It would be hilarious if it weren't so creepy.
We all had a good laugh this past December when Igor Panarin, dean of the Russian Foreign Ministry's academy for future diplomats, predicted that the financial crisis would eventually lead to widespread unrest, martial law, and, by 2010, a civil war in the US — the end result of which would be a motley collection of rump states like "Atlantic America" and the "Texas Republic," that then glom onto countries such as Canada and Mexico. It's an absurd idea.
Or is it? Perusing some of the sheer insanity spewed on rightist blogs, message boards, and comment threads — the pitchfork-shaking anger directed at this so-called socialist government — one has to wonder just what's percolating in this country. Maybe the big break-up is coming sooner than we think?
Obama talks a lot about his affinity for Abraham Lincoln. Let's just hope he doesn't end up having too much in common with the guy — that in addition to saving the economy, winning two wars, and curbing global warming, he doesn't find himself having to preserve the Union, too.
People are pissed. New faux-populist hero Rick Santelli has been enjoining citizens to register their disgust with the stimulus plan and budget by bombarding the White House and Capitol with tea bags — get it?! (The phenomenon has apparently caused headaches for workers charged with the safety screening of DC mail.) Meanwhile, 4000 people gathered this past Saturday for a so-called "Cincinnati Tea Party." Read one sign: HONK IF I'M PAYING YOUR MORTGAGE.
But protests do only so much. More and more, it seems, nothing less than outright secession will satisfy some of these cranks. The right-wing Web is all atwitter over a recent open letter, spreading from blog to blog like a hanta virus, by one "John J. Wall, Law Student and an American." In it, Wall puts it plainly: he wants a divorce.
"Let's just end it on friendly terms," he writes. "We don't like redistributive taxes so you can keep them. . . . Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA, and the military." (What they'll do with all the guns he doesn't say.)
Ironically, when not busy fomenting revolution or concocting a plan to carve up the continental US, conservatives act a lot like the "hippies" that Wall went on to lambaste in his letter — thumbing their nose at authority and threatening to drop out of society.
It was reported on military.com last month that a soldier, First Lieutenant Scott Easterling, who is stationed in Iraq, has balked at following orders: "Until Mr. Obama releases a 'vault copy' of his original birth certificate for public review," he declared, "I will consider him neither my commander in chief nor my president, but rather, a usurper to the office — an impostor."
And the latest bit of in(s)anity making the rounds in conservative circles in is the notion of "going Galt," in which angry rich people protest Obama's fiscal policies by following the lead of John Galt —übermensch protagonist of Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged — and removing their ostensibly valuable productivity from society.
Why? Because "a general strike among the wealth producers," as Michelle Malkin calls it, will help keep that wealth out of the grubby hands of the lower classes — those "moochers who claim your product by tears," in Rand's piquant description. Sigh.
Are we fated to fracture into Jesus Land and the People's Republic of Massafornia? Probably not. But maybe! Until and unless that day arrives, however, ours remains a riven nation. But if Malkin and their ilk want to "drop out" in the meantime, more power to 'em. It'll be nice, frankly, not to have to hear them talk for a while.
I never direct venom to the left?! In this very thread in post #30 I call Obama's policies a disaster. In post #59 I call leftist extremists "political idiots" and in post #66 I describe Obama's philosophy as "nonsense". Seems like I've been pretty mean today to those on the other side.
I think most on FR can come to the obvious conclusion that your are at best a moderate - RINO, which is exactly what we do not need to hear right now.
Well, somebody has to hold down the extreme, maybe I am he. Better to be the most moderate member of Free Republic than the most moderate member of Democratic Underground.
I certainly hope this was misdirected ....
We gave him his chance. He blew it when he signed the stimulous bill. Now we must strive to save the Republic as conceived by whatever means possible.
I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.
Barry G.
Secession, the act of disintegrating and weakening our country, was a terrible and idiotic idea in 1860 and a worse idea in 2009. The Civil war cost America nearly 900,000 lives and opened wounds that didn't heal for over a century. It weakened and damaged our country; all for the greater glory of a bunch of nit whit romantics who couldn't read the Constitution (see Article 1, Section 10).
Secession would weaken each breakaway region. At a time when our largest enemy has over four times our population and people who hate our faith and our freedom control most of the natural resources our economy depends on, dividing ourselves up into petty, competing fiefdoms would be a formula for absolute disaster (see Roman history).
Besides, this IS NOT a regional conflict. Conservatism is an ideology not a place. There are conservative people in every corner of the country, no matter how dominant the leftist may be in that particular area. By alienating those people you weaken the conservative movement (and questioning their loyalty is one sure way to alienate them).
Right now conservatism needs leadership and unity. Idiotic 19th century romantic concepts of sovereignty provide neither.
I'm with you there, Mr Greenjeans.
It doesn't appear regional now. Were copperheads not found all over the North during the Civil War? Conversely, Unionists were all over the South. Whose to say what each individual state legislature(s) would do under duress of civil uprising? I certainly don't know? Would you consider Texas a region? How can you say these things? You have no crystal ball. Maybe you don't want it to be regional, you might be projecting here. I am discussing the theoretical and I envision alot of regionality in this political season we find ourselves in. If you call secessionist idiots what then the Patriot?
I love it. I absolutely love it.
(PS, The Phoenix is Boston’s “alternative” newspaper. It makes most of its revenue from escort ads and such.)
Interesting that most people here on FR that see nothing regional about the current unpleasant political climate are from CA and the north east region. Odd that. Probably means nothing but...
If the shiite ever goes down, c_va, I know what side I’m going to be on, and it has nothing to do with where I’m from. Regionalism plays no part in it.
That’s right. There’s a lot more of us than there is of them. All we have to do is what the left did. take over the schools and judges and legislative.
We need a plan.
“Obama is the legal president,...”
Are you sure about that? Would he be president if ACORN hadn’t been involved in polling place funny business? Would he be president if his place of birth had been verified? He might be the president, but it’s doubtful if he’s the “legal” president.
With the huge taxpayer $$ going to ACORN,
and their in the census.
Don’t count on another legitimate election again without a nationwide “reset event”.
their involvement in the census
“Reset” — yes. It’ll be ugly, but needs to happen to get America back. Not thrilled now with Amerika.
When the nation wakes up??
That nation to which you refer is why we are where we are today. They are awake, and like trinkets in exchange for their vote.
With the complicit media, their pablum tastes very good, thank you.
But that is my point - he did not wish a fight, but was bound by honour & duty to fight.
Sure, there are folks on our side spoiling for a fight, there always are, but it is the realization to otherwise peaceful people that a fight is what it will eventually take.
Be it a shooting fight or otherwise - depending on the ballot box (the way it is now stacked)is clearly not working. You may be content to vote for another “lessor of two evils” - but people everywhere are waking up to the fact that it is not a choice we need to make.
Principles were spelled out for us by our founding fathers, and remedies as well. For too long we have been pacified by lying politicians on both sides.
Hypothetically, can you see yourself, and family, leaving your state MA or NH(I think), moving to another state that has formerly seceded?
so-called socialist government
Ever notice that anything the leftards disagree with is “so-called”?
What I don't understand is why those people don't embrace Socialism?
Shouldn't they be Proud of it's past history of failure? /sarc
I’d like to see more buisness give the employees the day off without pay, and explain to the workforce that the situation in DC needs your undivided attention. Just for one day. Employees need to see where the bread comes from. No one likes to miss a payday.
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