Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured: Flood Evidence Number Six

AiG ^ | March 15, 2009 | Andrew Snelling, Ph.D.

[GodGunsGuts]

Rock Layers Folded, Not Fractured

Flood Evidence Number Six

by Andrew A. Snelling

March 15, 2009

How could a series of sedimentary layers fold without fracturing? The only way is for all the sedimentary layers to be laid down in rapid succession and then be folded while still soft and pliable.

If the global Flood, as described in Genesis 7–8, really occurred, what evidence would we expect to find? Wouldn’t we expect to find rock layers all over the earth that are filled with billions of dead animals and plants that were rapidly buried and fossilized in sand, mud, and lime? Yes, and that’s exactly what we find...

[count-your-change]

I think if we go to the source we find animals were taken aboard according to “clean” and “unclean” classification. While I'm not certain what made an animal one or the other probably it was on the basis of suitability for sacrifice.

Haven't heard of fish being used in sacrifice so I would assume none were taken on the Ark.

[Travis T. OJustice]

That makes no sense at all. The flood waters were intensely hot, and very little could have survived.

So where did Noah keep all the sea creatures?

[Travis T. OJustice]

Fish stew!

[GonzoGOP]

Was the water moving fast enough to cause hydrologic sorting, or was it moving slow enough to kill animals in place?

To flood the entire Earth to the depth of Mt Everest would require 4,513,117,056 cubic kilometers of water, actually slightly more as the surface area goes up as the diameter increases, but work with me here. That is 1,305.87 cubic kilometers of water per second for 40 days. For comparison Niagara falls is .000,000,002.832 cubic kilometers of water per second. Then you have to pump all that water off the planet in a similar amount of time. Suffice to say that the water was moving quickly.

Now a better question. Given that wooden boats loose strength with size due to the limits of the material. How does a very large, heavily loaded, wooden boat stay afloat on such a turbulent sea?

[tacticalogic]

Haven't heard of fish being used in sacrifice so I would assume none were taken on the Ark.

Then if the accounts of the oceans being hot, turbulent, and filled with silt are correct, they should have all perished.

[tacticalogic]

Are there none?

There have been no fossilized remains of modern whales found that I am aware of. Not just whales, but generallly, no fossilized remains of modern day animals.

[OriginalIntent]

To flood the entire Earth to the depth of Mt Everest ...

How high were the mountains in the past?

Most who assume there was a Noah's flood also think the mountains were not nearly as high before the flood.

The catostrophic geological events during the flood may have caused rapid rise of mountains and sinking of valleys and ocean floors.

This rapid change in elevations expedited water, mud and debris drainage into the much larger new ocean volumes, (width and depth).

Agree with them or not, they do not generally make the argument you are describing.

[KevinDavis]

You do know the Earth is round not flat right???

[stormer]

Double codswallop.

[KevinDavis]

I think there was a global event on a scale not seen in a long time.. Many civilizations speak of a major event similar to the flood.

[stormer]

It is the nature of science to engage in debate. For an individual to make assertions and then refuse to defend them before those who actively point out the errors associated with those assertions is in diametric opposition to the scientific method and scholarship. I can only conclude those who do not wish to defend their positions are lying or willfully ignorant.

[GonzoGOP]

OK, just for argument lets cut the height of Mt Everest from 8.8km above sea level to 4.4 km above sea level. Now you only need to move 1,153.22 cubic kilometers of water per second. Still much worse than being hit over the head with Niagra Falls. But to complicate the problem you now you now need to move enough rock to shove the Himalaya, Andes, Rockies 3-4 km into the air in only a few hundred years, since they haven't moved much since written history started.

And you still have to explain how a wooden boat stays afloat on a sea while being hit over the decks by Niagara Falls and having Mt Everest come up from the bottom. The energy release needed to move that much water and that much rock is going to sink the ark in short order. The amount of energy released is just mind numbing. You dump that much energy onto a planet and everything dies. And no wooden boat, no matter how well built, is going to save you.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

To flood the entire Earth to the depth of Mt Everest...

I thought about bringing up the bivalve fossils found on Mt. Everest that are cited by many creationists as evidence it was flooded, and asking whether they managed to escape up there. ("Clams got legs?") But as OriginalIntent points out, the post-Flood geology has the landscape rising and falling like a whack-a-mole machine, so I figured it wasn't worth bringing up.

How does a very large, heavily loaded, wooden boat stay afloat on such a turbulent sea?

There's the guy in Holland who built a half-size replica that he plans to sail to Belgium and Germany, so we may find out. Of course, he's only going to be carrying stuffed animals.

[GodGunsGuts]

==You do know the Earth is round not flat right???

Yes, I am aware that the Earth is not flast, but apparently you don’t know that the Earth is not round either.

[MortMan]

I need to have my eyes checked... I wondered why “Rock Lawyers” were being folded!

[OriginalIntent]

you now you now need to move enough rock to shove the Himalaya, Andes, Rockies 3-4 km into the air in only a few hundred years, since they haven't moved much since written history started.

Correct, that is what they generally state. There was (relatively) rapid rising and lowering of elevations. Also, as you state, they agree that the mountains etc. have not moved much since written history, it was a one time historic catastrophe. The opposite of uniformitarianism.

As far as being hit over the head by Niagara falls or the like, I have never heard anyone make that claim.

[Ha Ha Thats Very Logical]

think there was a global event on a scale not seen in a long time..

You might enjoy The Cycle of Cosmic Catastrophes--anybody interested in these discussions might. Despite its sensationalist title, it's actually a serious scientific investigation of evidence for what the authors believe to have been some combination of impacts of debris from a "nearby" supernova and a comet strike about 12-15,000 years ago. The scenarios they describe would certainly have had effects all over the world, if not caused a single global flood, and would have been recent enough to possibly result in legends that survive today. The book has flaws, and I ended up skimming much of it, but it's an intriguing idea.

[JimRed]

...no fossilized remains of modern day animals.

Fossilization takes time, tens of thousands of years at least except in extraordinary circumstances.

[atlaw]

How does a very large, heavily loaded, wooden boat stay afloat on such a turbulent sea?

Methane.

[JimRed]

Just curious- does Amazon pay a commission on sales when you link them to a site?

;^)