Posted on 03/16/2009 4:29:12 PM PDT by GOPGuide
Today the John Templeton Foundation announced the winner of the annual Templeton Prize of a colossal £1 million ($1.4 million),
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D'Espagnat boasts an impressive scientific pedigree, having worked with Nobel laureates Louis de Broglie, Enrico Fermi and Niels Bohr. De Broglie was his thesis advisor; he served as a research assistant to Fermi; and he worked at CERN when it was still in Copenhagen under the direction of Bohr.
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Third view
Unlike classical physics, d'Espagnat explained, quantum mechanics cannot describe the world as it really is, it can merely make predictions for the outcomes of our observations. If we want to believe, as Einstein did, that there is a reality independent of our observations, then this reality can either be knowable, unknowable or veiled. D'Espagnat subscribes to the third view. Through science, he says, we can glimpse some basic structures of the reality beneath the veil, but much of it remains an infinite, eternal mystery.
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Unconventional 'God' So what is it, really, that is veiled? At times d'Espagnat calls it a Being or Independent Reality or even "a great, hypercosmic God". It is a holistic, non-material realm that lies outside of space and time, but upon which we impose the categories of space and time and localisation via the mysterious Kantian categories of our minds.
"Independent Reality plays, in a way, the role of God – or 'Substance' – of Spinoza," d'Espagnat writes. Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, which he equated with nature itself, but he always held this "God" to be entirely knowable. D'Espagnat's veiled God, on the other hand, is partially – but still fundamentally – unknowable. And for precisely this reason, it would be nonsensical to paint it with the figure of a personal God or attribute to it specific concerns or commandments.
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Thanks CO.
No......I've not smoked anything stronger than a cigarette. ;-)
Thanks for the ping!
Here’s a summary:
“BS pays well”
Out of the great, broad spectrum of eletromagnetic energy is this little sliver of a wavelength we call “visible Light.” Yet, we are chastised for even thinking about “paranormal events” which may be nothing more than what normally occurs outside this little sliver of EME we call “visible Light.”
Why is it part and parcel to the scientist/nonbeliever that unless God manifests at least a tiny, visible part of himself within the narrow band of light, He cannot exist?
Visible matter represents only 4 percent of the universe, which also is made of 23 percent dark matter and 73 percent “dark energy.”
Yet it is this 4% that the existence of God must be demonstrated to a statistically significant degree before the scientist/nonbeliever will admit to a knowable God.
Can God be among the 23 percent of dark matter, or the 74% of dark energy?
God can reside outside of space/time but still cause quantum effects within it?
The Jewish kabbalists of the 11th, 12th, & 13th Century had estimated the age of the Universe to be 15 billion years old.
Why isn’t this guy smart enough to see that the DNA molecule isn’t ‘willing’ anything? It was designed from the start to do all that the designer knew had to be done.
Evolution:
The ‘science’ of Dumbness.
A god of one’s own creation is not so fearsome.
As Paul so eloquently said, We see darkly until that day when we know as we are known. Nobody has transcended that except the Apostle John, and he was forbidden to write it.
Ok.
Instead of matter expanding from one central location in (what is now) 3 dimensional space, how about matter arriving from still only one point...but arriving everywhere, at the same moment?
If "nothingness" surrounded what energy (entity?) was there (ok, a big assumption)...then expanding into it, could well enough put it "everywhere", following somewhat your example of the distances on a sheet of paper folded upon itself.
Under this manner of thinking, the "big bang", was both centralized (all matter in one very small "location") yet simultaneously widely universal.
Doing the metaphysical induction thingy, is funner than all 'git out...
John the Beloved is still walking the earth, no? At least until Christ comes for the final time.
I thought Moses and Elijah transcended it, too.
I prefer to think that the great breakthroughs come by the will of God, when it fits his perfect plan. Newton's awareness of the Calculus for example, allowed a tremendous cascade of technology that went unimagined for millenia. Did Adam have this knowledge but just not a need for it? Or Enoch?
I see nothing in scripture to indicate that.
Zardoz!
One of the greatest flicks of all time!
Well, maybe not, but at least we got to see Charlotte Rampling nekkid...
Clearly Adam had more knowledge than that which is written of. He could not survive outside the Garden without it.
I believe we live in a world of lost knowledge. History certainly bears this out. People keep falling for the same old tricks. We rediscover what was known before, even in a scientific sense.
Enoch is an interesting case. His name means initiated and he is associated with all kinds of learning - astronomy and mathematics among them.
Why did you choose those two?
I forgot to add Enoch. Your mentioning him in your previous post, reminded me.
There is no record of Moses dying in the OT, no? He and Elijah appear physically on the Mt. of Transfiguration with Jesus. Jesus is transfigured, they must be also, no?
Didn’t John the Beloved ask to tarry until Christ returns? I can look up the exact verses for you.
All this bother, but still nothing I can see about Divine Intelligence, Divine Will, right and wrong, good and bad, or what is our purpose in the world. Just that there is a Creator that stands outside of nature, but not really. It’s a start, I guess, but not really.
""Independent Reality plays, in a way, the role of God – or 'Substance' – of Spinoza," d'Espagnat writes. Einstein believed in Spinoza's God, which he equated with nature itself, but he always held this "God" to be entirely knowable. D'Espagnat's veiled God, on the other hand, is partially – but still fundamentally – unknowable. And for precisely this reason, it would be nonsensical to paint it with the figure of a personal God or attribute to it specific concerns or commandments."
There is a record of his death, but no record of his body ever having been found.
Genesis 1:1 is usually read in the English, is "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth." Unfortunately, that rendition, which the entire English speaking world has heard repeatedly from youth (both biological and cultural youth), misses the meaning of the Hebrew. The miss is not very surprising. The English version stems from the King James Bible, first published in 1611. But the King James Bible is a translation preceded by the Latin Vulgate attributed to St. Jerome in the 4th century and that Latin version is taken from the Greek Septuagint that dates back some 2200 years. The Septuagint is taken from the Hebrew. "In the beginning" is three translations downstream from the original.
The opening word, usually translated as "In the beginning," is the Hebrew Be'reasheet. Be'reasheet can mean "In the beginning of" but not "In the beginning." The difficulty with the preposition "of" is that its object is absent from the sentence and so the usual English translation merely drops it. Rather than changing the meaning of the Hebrew and ignoring the "of," the 2,100 year old Jerusalem translation of Genesis into Aramaic realizes that Be'reacheet is a compound word: the prefix Be' – with; and raesheet – a first wisdom. The meaning becomes: "With wisdom God created the heavens and the earth." That wisdom is the first part of creation finds its parallel repeatedly in the Bible. For example, "With the word of God the heavens were formed" (Ps. 33:6). And, "How manifold are Your works, Eternal, You made them all with wisdom" (Ps 104:24). And, "Raesheet hohmah - Beginning of wisdom," (Ps. 111:10). Wisdom is the fundamental building block of the universe, and as such it is an inherent characteristic. In the processes of life that wisdom finds its most complex revelation. Wisdom, information, an idea, is the link between the metaphysical creating Force and the physical creation. It is the hidden face of God.
I won't link to Shroeder's pages here at this time, since Google has taken into their minds to block access to him, due to claims of malware being present on his site. But I did go there, copied and pasted [here] text found there, in the posted prologue to is latest book. I sure hopes he doesn't mind too much...no pun intended. <$^)
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