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1 posted on 03/12/2009 7:47:45 AM PDT by Hillary'sMoralVoid
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid
Your right! Obama’s defense may purposely be focusing and directing the interest toward the birth certificate to deflect attention on the other areas which truly may be the disqualifying factors:
2 posted on 03/12/2009 7:54:01 AM PDT by classified
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Keep up the fight! I think the Supreme Court has decided that they won't touch this issue unless they are absolutely forced to do so.

In the meantime, the RNC should be working with every state to ensure that in the future, 0dumbo, and everyone else, must present certified evidence that they meet the qualifications for the Presidency, before being placed on the ballot for that state.

The Federal Government has decided to insert itself into countless areas where they do not belong, but it neglects areas such as border control and foreigners posing as President, where it is required to be involved.

3 posted on 03/12/2009 7:57:33 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO Kenyan Usurper - "Don't Tread On Me!!!")
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Hussein's drunken father was already married when he allegedly got Dunham pregnant so How does that work?
4 posted on 03/12/2009 8:01:05 AM PDT by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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We must keep our arguments accurate, so as not to look silly. Item No 4 is not determined by Hawaiian law, but by federal statutes.


5 posted on 03/12/2009 8:06:16 AM PDT by punchamullah
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

That’s a good list and there may be other factors as well, one of which is the possibility that Comrade 0bama may have obtained government benefits (student aid, etc) under false pretenses or with an incorrect and/or assumed name, which would constitute a felony.

Of course the usual crowd of 0bama-enablers will soon be arriving to spew their usual sneers and drivel, calling you (and anyone agreeing with you) ‘birthers’ and all of that predictable garbage.

To them, the Constitution is nothing but toilet paper. To us, it is the most highly revered Document of our Republic, right after the Bible.


6 posted on 03/12/2009 8:06:50 AM PDT by mkjessup (You're either with our Constitution, or you are with TKU ("The Kenyan Usurper"). CHOOSE!!!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

I’m in the #2 camp.
In civics class as a kid I was taught that BOTH parents had to be citizens, either born or naturalized-the actual birthplace didn’t matter. What mattered was the lineage.

Now with some speculating that Frank Marshall(sp.) could be his daddy, wouldn’t that be the last laugh for That One if it were true? Then, technically, he would be eligible!
...or not. Who knows at this point? What is interesting is that That One doth protest too much about doing a simple task (producing a VALID b/c) that all of us have had to do (with increasing frequency) in our day to day lives.


7 posted on 03/12/2009 8:07:10 AM PDT by ozark hilljilly (I don't even think I think!)
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To: Hillary'sMoralVoid

Indonesia does not recognize dual citizenship. He would have to renounce his US citizenship to get Indonesian citizenship.


10 posted on 03/12/2009 8:29:43 AM PDT by MtnClimber (Zer0-bama intelligence, smaller than a quark, more difficult to find than a Higgs boson)
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Also he may have neglected to register for the U.S. draft when he was 18, and forged it later. See here

http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2008/11/exclusive_did_n.html


14 posted on 03/12/2009 9:49:07 AM PDT by SteveH (First they ignore you. Then they laugh at you. Then they fight you. Then you win.)
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1. Obama was not born in the United States. The Certification of Live Birth that he posts on his web site proves nothing. Only the original paper certificate can address this issue.

Not ture. The COLB posted on his website is just as good as any other document when it comes proving birth in the US. The State department accepts it, as does any court in the US.

2. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have British and American citizenship due to his father being a British subject at the time of his birth.

He did have dual citizenship at birth, which lapsed when he turned 18. He's admitted that. However, it is irrelevant. If you disagree, please find the passage in the Constitution that prohibits people who had dual citizenship as babies from being president.

3. Dual Citizenship issue: Obama could have dual citizenship with Indonesia if he was adopted.

Not true. First of all, there is no evidence he was adopted. Second, even if he was, both US and Indonesian law at the time made it impossible for him to have acquired dual citizenship by virtue of adoption.

His school records from Inonesia indicate he was Indonesian.

A single document from a private school lists his citizenship as Indoensian. Assuming the document is authentic (and there's a good possibility it is not), then it is in error for the reason stated above.

People do, you know, make mistakes when filling out documents.

He also traveled to Pakistan, but under what passport?

There is no reason to believe he traveled on any passport other than a US passport.

4. Mother's age at birth. Hawaiian laws on the books at the time of his birth hold that U.S. citizenship may only pass to a child born overseas to a U.S. citizen parent and non-citizen parent if the former was at least 19. Stanley Ann Dunham was only 18 at the time of Obama's birth.

True, but a moot point, since there is no evidence he was born anywhere other than Hawaiii.

5. Failure to formally renounce dual citizenship described above and reestablish American citizenship at some point and show proof of same.

Irrelevant, since under both US and Indonesian law, he never lost his US citizenship.

17 posted on 03/12/2009 10:21:03 AM PDT by curiosity
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6. Naturalized citizenship - Even if Obama was a "natural born citizen" at birth in Honolulu (or had dual US/British citizenship), when he was formally adopted by Lolo Soetoro, he became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law.
Then when he formally returned to the United States he became a [re]naturalized U.S. citizen.

7. Illegal Alien - When Stanley Dunham married Lolo Soetoro, she became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian marriage law; when Lolo formally adopted Stanley's son, barry/Barack became an Indonesian citizen exclusively through Indonesian adoption law. After divorcing Lolo, Stanley and her son simply moved back to Honolulu without going through Immigration -- either through Stanley's ignorance of their status, or in defiance of the law. Barry/Barack never legally re-entered the United States, and has been living in this country since his teens as an illegal alien.

26 posted on 03/12/2009 1:13:22 PM PDT by Dajjal (Obama is an Ericksonian NLP hypnotist.)
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There are possibly more issues out there still to be investigated, perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB, etc.

"perhaps willful misconduct on the potential forging of the COLB?"

Don't ya just love it when people are right on top of things, don't ya? I mean, it's only been 10 months.

39 posted on 03/12/2009 4:44:27 PM PDT by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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Good points made here. It’s very doubtful that Obama is eligible at all.


40 posted on 03/12/2009 4:48:50 PM PDT by real_patriotic_american
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48 posted on 03/12/2009 5:29:04 PM PDT by null and void (We are now in day 52 of our national holiday from reality.)
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Failure to register in a timely fashion with the Selective Service (Draft), and subsequent possible forgery of registration forms—a Felony, iirc. While not a NBC issue, it may indicate dual/non US citizenship; intended to provide an out if the draft was re-started, and indicative of not placing the US first.


63 posted on 03/12/2009 8:54:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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One of these days I'm going to catch one of these threads in the very beginning, I wan to time exactly how long it takes for the usual trolls to show up.

They must have radar activated BC pinging beebers

81 posted on 03/13/2009 12:00:44 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (FUBO, he says we should listen to our enemies, but not to Rush - and zer0 has already failed)
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“Are there other potentially disqualifying factors missing from this list?”

That he is not 35 years of age.

Might as well put anything and everything on your list, which is apparently the approach thus far.


123 posted on 03/13/2009 5:02:31 PM PDT by truth_seeker
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This sums it up:

“Obama released his birth certificate.” No, he didn’t.

“The short form is the same as the long form.” No, it’s not.

“Hawaii verified his birth certificate.” No, they didn’t.

“Hawaii won’t let him get his original certificate.” No, they will.

“It’s good enough for a passport”. No, not in all cases.

“Factcheck proved he was born in the US”. No, they didn’t.

“Election officials checked his background”. No, they didn’t.

“The Supreme Court ruled that he was born in the US.” No, they didn’t.

“It doesn’t matter, his mother was a citizen.” No, he didn’t meet the criteria of the law at that time.

“The law was changed and made retroactive”. No, it wasn’t.

“The short form is accepted in a court of law.” No, it can be rebutted with the source document and any amendments.

“The burden of proof is on you”. No, the burden of proof is on Obama and Sec. of States.

“Anyone raising this issue is a crazy conspiracy theorist”. No, they believe in the Constitution and realize that when someone spends hundreds of thousands of dollars to fight the release of a ten dollar document, he is hiding something.

“Tough luck, he won, get over it”.


183 posted on 03/14/2009 1:00:17 PM PDT by FTJM
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Other Disqualifying Factors....Hmmm...He’s a commie pinko bastard? Probably a muslim, named Hussein, is buds with terrorists,born in Kenya, has erased his past, is a puppet controlled by who knows what kind of evil, can’t speak without a teleprompter, dissed The Prime Minister of England, has no class, is anti-American, is seeking to destroy our country, is an arrogant bastard, schooled for 20 years by unRev Wright, is a black liberationist, is a racist, hates whitey but smiles at him anyway and takes all his money for social programs, is our first usurper in chief...

His epic failure will however result in a one term occupancy of our White House. He will be on the post usurper speaking tour starting Jan 21st, 2013. After he takes a much needed NAP that is. He’s SO tired.


187 posted on 03/14/2009 7:05:13 PM PDT by TheConservativeParty (Democrats are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling.)
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There are at least five ways that Barack Obama can be declared ineligible for the presidency.

Actually only one way - if he wasn't born in the U.S.

210 posted on 03/16/2009 12:43:26 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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