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Ron Paul defends earmarks, says anti-pork McCain is just grandstanding
LA TImes ^ | 3/11/09 | Andrew Malcom

Posted on 03/11/2009 6:56:34 PM PDT by pissant

Ron Paul, the Texas congressman who is the darling of the Libertarian Right, has more earmarks in the pork-laden $410-billion spending bill than any other Republican.

That's not according to the MSM, or the liberal blogosphere. That's what Fox News is reporting.

In an interview Tuesday night with Fox News' Neil Cavuto, Paul not only defended his own earmarks, he argued that every penny in the federal budget should be earmarked, to improve transparency.

Paul, a fiscal watchdog who said he voted against the bill because he believes federal spending is out of control, acknowledged that $73 million in the bill passed by his colleagues "might be" going to his district on Texas' Gulf Coast for things like the intra-coastal waterway, the Texas City channel and Wallisville Lake. But he was fine with that, noting that he always votes for tax credits, not matter how "silly," to return money to the constituents who sent their tax dollars to Washington.

The principle of the earmark is our responsibility. We're supposed to — it's like a — a tax credit. And I vote for all tax credits, no matter how silly they might seem. If I can give you any of you of your money back, I vote for it. So, if I can give my district any money back, I encourage that. But, because the budget is out of control, I haven't voted for an appropriation in years — if ever. ...

I don't think the federal government should be doing it. But, if they're going to allot the money, I have a responsibility to represent my people. If they say, hey, look, put in a highway for the district, I put it in. I put in all their requests, because I'm their representative.

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To: hedgetrimmer

“What do you have against taxpayers keeping some of their money?”

He gets to pick the taxpayers he likes


41 posted on 03/11/2009 8:08:50 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: douginthearmy

This is something I’ve been confused about. This used to be one of the things that bothered me about Paul, but I’m not totally sure how this earmark process works. The situation I associate with pork is when a congressman agrees to support a bill if spending for their district is added to the bill.

From what is sounds like he’s saying, an “earmark” is just some part of the bill that has an allotted amount of money (whether that’s ‘pork’ or spending on government salaries), so that way everyone can see where that money is going. Without the earmark,the spending would not be transparent.

The other thing it sounds like he’s saying is that there is a certain amount allocated for the bill and that the money will be spent whether or not he earmarks it to his district. If not him, for instance, the money would still be spent, perhaps in another district, or at the discretion of the executive branch, with less transparency.

My original interpretation can’t really be applicable because Paul never votes for these bills. If he never votes for them even when these earmarks go to his district, then why give him the earmarks at all, unless the money is already appropriated to the bill? Even then though I’m still not sure how it is decided who gets the how much for their districts. I’m confused about the whole issue now.

I don’t believe spending like this is constitutional, but if the money is already appropriated then I can’t blame him for trying to get a piece for his district.


42 posted on 03/11/2009 8:10:01 PM PDT by djsherin (Government is essentially the negation of liberty.)
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To: pissant

Of course, he’s right to try to return hatever tax money to his constituents that he can if he can’t cut their taxes in the first place. At least he votes against the bills. If only the senate Republicans did the same.

People who are critical of Paul for earmarking money for his own district while voting against the bill are the same people who chastise Republicans for not surrendering under term limits when they get the majority.


43 posted on 03/11/2009 8:13:04 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Zeddicus

“...only have a small percentage returned to us...”

I saw Tim Pawlenty on one of the talk shows discussing whether he would take the federal stimulus funds. He said he would take the funds, because his state only gets back 73 cents of every dollar they send to Washington.

Limit stimulus funds to the amount that each state has sent to Washington. Or better yet, don’t take the money from the states to begin with.


44 posted on 03/11/2009 8:13:52 PM PDT by mouske
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To: hedgetrimmer

Sooper! Always wondered what I am, now I know.


45 posted on 03/11/2009 8:15:03 PM PDT by douginthearmy (Julio is Amerika.)
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To: mnehring; All

Please help me understand earmarks.

I’m being serious.

Is it like this...?

A bill is about to be voted on - say 100 mil. for education - the amount to be voted on is set at 100 mil. - but the terms of spending are very broad - reps put in “earmarks” for stuff they want - might be stupid and wasteful, might not be stupid and wasteful - does the 100 mil. amount grow with each proposed earmark - or is it just a way of tagging a portion of the bill for something specific - while the rest just gets spent in whatever way the executive branch chooses?

Thanks in advance to anyone who can clear things up for me.


46 posted on 03/11/2009 8:17:31 PM PDT by mommya
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To: ari-freedom
He gets to pick the taxpayers he likes

He submits every single request for an earmark that his office receives, no matter how silly.

47 posted on 03/11/2009 8:23:42 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: Nephi

I need to request my money before he can give it back to me?


48 posted on 03/11/2009 8:28:33 PM PDT by ari-freedom (Hail to the Dork!)
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To: ari-freedom

It’s Paul’s fault the Republican party has been commandeered by neo-cons?


50 posted on 03/11/2009 8:32:49 PM PDT by Nephi (Like the failed promise of Fascism, masquerading as Capitalism? You're gonna love Marxism.)
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To: mnehring
Yes indeed.

I see the Pauliroids seem to be delayed. Must take some time to clear the ole’ noggin’...

51 posted on 03/11/2009 8:38:30 PM PDT by ejonesie22 (Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
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To: hedgetrimmer

Exactly.


52 posted on 03/11/2009 8:43:32 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: mommya

None of the Paul-bashers will step forward to clear this up for you.

Doesn’t anyone else find it curious that Ron Paul, who has spoken out against AND voted against so many federal spending bills over the years (and touched a few third rails in doing so), receives such an inordinate amount of negative attention and ridicule from establishment conservatives and neocons?

Opponents of earmarks want the executive branch to have all the spending power.


53 posted on 03/11/2009 8:54:43 PM PDT by SecAmndmt (Arm yourselves!)
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To: mnehring; lormand; ejonesie22; Petronski; big'ol_freeper
You all must be freedom and liberty hating RINOs who are pawns of the Zionist agenda. If Dr. Paul says earmarks are important and Constitutional, then it is true. Dr. Paul found that wild shrimp and ferris wheels are written right there in the Constitution. You take the "W" from the second sentence in Article 2 Section 8, the "I" from the third sentence, the "L" from Hamilton's signature.. and so on... Dr. Paul is right and you all are just haters.. when you deliver ten billion babies and memorize the Constitution, only then will you understand the brilliant purity of his holiness Lord Paul...

ROFLMAO! Well done, mnehring.

54 posted on 03/11/2009 8:57:52 PM PDT by Allegra ( Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.)
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To: pissant

You just KNOW this is false, because it contains an accusation of “grandstanding” against the ever-humble and self-effacing John McCain.


55 posted on 03/11/2009 9:15:29 PM PDT by MainFrame65 (The US Senate: World's greatest PREVARICATIVE body!.)
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To: MainFrame65

LOL


56 posted on 03/11/2009 9:16:01 PM PDT by pissant (THE Conservative party: www.falconparty.com)
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To: mnehring

Every thing L.Ron knows about national defense he learned while doing pap smears.


57 posted on 03/11/2009 9:21:31 PM PDT by Petronski (For the next few years, Gethsemane will not be marginal. We will know that garden. -- Cdl. Stafford)
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To: pissant
Paul, a fiscal watchdog who said he voted against the bill because he believes federal spending is out of control...

Why is the headline buried? Because too many Republicans are playing McCain's stupid little penny-ante "war on earmarks" game. Earmarks are a tiny percentage of federal spending, and as Ron Paul argues, at least they are transparent and more likely to result in money being returned to the people who paid it than welfare payments and most of the other federal expenditures.

Meanwhile, McCain is one of the dipstick Republicans who passed that stupid TARP boondoggle and gave the big spending Democrats carte blanche to spend America into the economic disaster that Ron Paul warned us about during the Republican presidential debates (while the party herd was backing business as usual types like McCain and Romney).

58 posted on 03/11/2009 9:22:13 PM PDT by ravinson
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To: ari-freedom

He is an elected representative. How do you propose Constitutional government should work?


59 posted on 03/11/2009 9:39:40 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: mnehring

Apparently the federal reserve should get everything, in your mind. They DO own the ‘money’ after all. We just get promissory notes from our Treasury department.

Such a deal.


60 posted on 03/11/2009 9:42:41 PM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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