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'mock invasion"

"search door-to-door for a suspected "weapons dealer".

"to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment"

"improve the public's understanding of military operations."

Why the hell does the public have to have an "understanding" of military operations? Since WHEN is this high on the military's list of frickin' priorities?

What the heck is going on? Can anyone tell me whether or not in the history of the US military they have conducted staged "mock invasions" of US towns?

"Weapons dealer"????? That fits quite neatly with a search for a gun owner/armed citizenry, does it not?

Who are these people?

I am a patriot and among the best friends the American soldier could hope to have in an average citizen. THAT's why I'm asking these questions.

WHAT THE HELL are they doing running military games in small-town America?????

This is more than a bit disturbing to me on its face.

Perhaps someone could enlighten me?

...creepy as hell.

1 posted on 02/21/2009 12:26:19 AM PST by Boucheau
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To: Boucheau

don’t know what to say. thought these searches were illegal, but it seems everything goes these days.


2 posted on 02/21/2009 12:29:29 AM PST by television is just wrong
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Yes, that is very disturbing. Searching for a weapons dealer sounds like a real mission that could take place within our borders.

It’s for the children?


3 posted on 02/21/2009 12:29:41 AM PST by scott7278 (Don't Tread on Me!)
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You seem to already understand FRiend. Yes, they’re conditioning the sheep.


4 posted on 02/21/2009 12:30:37 AM PST by JOAT
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What freaked me out was the “crowd-control measures” description. That sounds too much like an in-house operation for my taste.


5 posted on 02/21/2009 12:33:45 AM PST by scott7278 (Don't Tread on Me!)
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Those who are interested in this topic should use this link to see reports of another exercise like this that took place in Monterey, California close to March 14th, 1999.

At the time there was a lively discussion on this forum regarding the event. I came down heavily against the exercise. Others thought it was a great idea, and thought it was supportive of our military.

There was also a report in 2008 about a training exercise in the South. Folks were also very supportive of that one. I wasn’t.

I don’t like the idea of our citizens being desensitized to full blown military operations on our soil. I also question the value of a mock assault on our cities, since I can’t think of too many cities outside the U.S. that are just like U.S. cities. Canada might fit. I don’t see Europe fitting. Africa? Asia? These places just aren’t brimming with small towns just like those in the U.S.

Link: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&as_q=monterey+california+mock+military+invasion&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&num=50&lr=&as_filetype=&ft=i&as_sitesearch=&as_qdr=all&as_rights=&as_occt=any&cr=&as_nlo=&as_nhi=&safe=off


6 posted on 02/21/2009 12:39:49 AM PST by DoughtyOne (Resolved: Gregg, McCain, Snowe, Spectre: 2010, Collins, Graham: 2014)
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Glenn Beck mentioned this on his FNC show yesterday evening. He mentioned two towns or two separate operations - one was this town in Iowa I don't recall the other one.
7 posted on 02/21/2009 12:42:06 AM PST by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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If there was nothing amiss, they wouldn’t have backed off.


8 posted on 02/21/2009 12:43:34 AM PST by PetroniusMaximus
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Check this one out from 1999...
Is the Army invading Texas? February 15, 1999
15 posted on 02/21/2009 12:59:06 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Ya know what’s creepier? When the news gets out....it’s cancelled....


17 posted on 02/21/2009 1:00:35 AM PST by Brad’s Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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And this one...TOLEDO MAYOR TELLS MARINES “NO” TO URBAN WARFARE TRAINING IN CITY February 14, 2008
The armed Marines — members of Company A, 1st Battalion, 24th Marines from Grand Rapids, Michigan — were in Toledo to participate in an urban warfare training exercise, one of several planned across the nation by the Pentegon.

You're slow to the show. As you can see "urban warfare training" (Google those keywords) has been going on in US cities and towns for some time, and far more frequently than most realize.

18 posted on 02/21/2009 1:03:42 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Same story, two sources for reference...
Army Sec.: Troops Ready for Iraq

NucNews - October 31, 2002
Army Sec.: Troops Ready for Iraq
White noted the difference in training for such warfare today compared to a decade ago, saying the Department of Defense (news - web sites) now has excellent facilities for training troops in urban fighting on a number of bases - not just at its major training centers.

So if there were so many facilities way back in 2002 you have to wonder why local towns are being used.

27 posted on 02/21/2009 1:14:51 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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"improve the public's understanding of military operations."

if this was planned against homes without fore-allow... oh my!

29 posted on 02/21/2009 1:19:36 AM PST by eyedigress
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Weapons dealer"????? That fits quite neatly with a search for a gun owner/armed citizenry, does it not?

Exactly... and what will the NWO consider an "weapons's dealer"??

Anyone possessing more than one weapon.

Just watch, next you will be hearing that if you own more than one your'e some kind of 'dealer'.

31 posted on 02/21/2009 1:23:23 AM PST by Lurking in Kansas (Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down their level, then beat you with experience.)
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"...sending troops to take over the town and search door-to-door for a suspected weapons dealer."

The officers in charge of that exercise are knuckleheads, probably with the mental squishiness of Al Gore. I did training exercises in a small US town a few times, but we trained to secure the residents and infrastructure. We didn't practice aggression against them. The residents enjoyed watching us and regarded us as friendlies, and that was during the Clinton years.

If the story isn't exaggerated or omitting facts (WND, you know), the people in charge of that birdbrained idea are worse than knuckleheads.

From the UCMJ:

"894. ARTICLE 94. MUTINY OR SEDITION

(a) Any person subject to this chapter who--
[...]
(2) with intent to cause the overthrow or destruction of lawful civil authority, creates, in concert with any other person, revolt, violence, or disturbance against that authority is guilty of sedition;...
"

And there's pertinent law from our Constitution and US Code.


32 posted on 02/21/2009 1:23:51 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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"The exercise was designed as a mock scenario to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment,..."

...must be MPs or some other kind of rear echelon outfit, as the exercise described is police work--not soldier work.


37 posted on 02/21/2009 1:32:55 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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"There are no active duty bases in Iowa, so there are no urban warfare training areas of any size," Hopgood said. "In order to get that larger neighborhood feel or city feel, we have to be creative and partner with our communities."

How unusual...
MILITARY OPERATION ON URBAN TERRAIN (MOUT)
COMBINED ARMS COLLECTIVE TRAINING FACILITY (CACTF)
CAMP DODGE, JOHNSTON, IOWA
1 November 2007
1. Purpose. To provide guidance for the safe, efficient and economic conduct of training on the Military Operations in Urban Terrain at Camp Dodge, Johnston, Iowa.

It's statements like those made in the article that, when combined with further information, makes you wonder...
"What the hell was he thinking when he said that!"

42 posted on 02/21/2009 1:41:37 AM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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Why don’t they just go to Ciudad Juarez for some real-world training?


46 posted on 02/21/2009 1:46:00 AM PST by SpaceBar
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Let these idiots go to DC and practice there.


48 posted on 02/21/2009 1:47:35 AM PST by Rome2000 (Peace is not an option)
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The exercise was designed as a mock scenario to give soldiers the skills needed for deployment in an urban environment, condition citizens to believe that it is OK for the military conduct operations against United States citizens and military officials stressed that only households that consented to be part of the drill would be searched.
81 posted on 02/21/2009 2:33:02 AM PST by theymakemesick (Buraq (buh- rok) Winged creature that carried mohammed on his Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem)
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Remember this? No problem back then using the military to violate our Constitutional rights.


84 posted on 02/21/2009 2:34:57 AM PST by Evil Slayer (Onward, Christian soldiers, marching as to war)
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