Posted on 02/17/2009 8:25:37 AM PST by GodGunsGuts
Where did the idea of “millions of years” come from?
All of our media outlets push evolution and “millions of years” ideas on the public. Even children’s cartoons reflect evolutionary philosophy! In an episode of the cartoon SpongeBob SquarePants, entitled “SpongeBob B.C.,” the narrator begins: “Ah, dawn breaks over the primordial sea. It is here that millions of years ago, life began taking its first clumsy steps out of the darkness, opening its newly formed eyeballs to stare into the blinding light of intelligence.” Unfortunately, large segments of the church have swallowed the millions-of-years evolutionary history hook, line, and sinker. But it was not always this way. In this chapter, we will discover where the idea of millions of years came from and why the church went along with it. We will see that science does not require it, but rather it is a necessity of uniformitarian geology and evolutionary theory...
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"If the universe is only 14.7 billion years old, how can you possibly see objects that are located tens of billions of light years from the earth?"
The expansion of the universe must be taken into account. The light from the CMB radiation was emitted 379k yrs after the big bang, which occured 13.7b yrs ago. The universe has since expanded to a size whose radius is 1292 times what it was when the CMB radiation was released. That's because of the expansion of space.
The matter involved in producing the CMB rad became the matter that produced the galaxies seen today. The radius to the edge of the visible universse is 46.5b lyrs (light years)from Earth. That radius represents the distance fixed points in space have moved due to expansion of the universe. It's that expansion that reults in distances that are greater than c*t.
It sounds familiar since you’re making the same mistakes others have in reading and understanding the words used in the Genesis account.
Being common mistakes I don’t fault you for that but I do for not taking time to do a bit research (the access is free) on the subject.
If you would, you would not (I hope), make statements like this:
“In addition, that means that God created the plants on Day 3, and waited aeons of time to create the Sun, Moon and Stars on Day 4. When laid side by side, the sequence of events in Genesis do not mach the sequence supposed by the Big Bang and Bacteria to Man evolutionary theory. You must also do away with original sin and that all death (animal and man) was brought by the sin of Adam. Also, we must explain how God could call his creation “good” and “very good” when it required the deaths of billions of life forms to generate the ones that could adapt and survive.”
I actually have no idea what all this is supposed to mean but I won’t do your Biblical research for you just to point out the obvious errors of your post.
I’m not going to respond to all this stuff that is repeated endlessly on evo threads. It’s like reading the Bible to a Catholic and he continues to worship Mary, blaspheming God. The “geologic column” is made up out of whole cloth and the rest of evolution builds on this circular reasoning. There is no proof of anything to place any weight on the so called “Geologic Column”. You can travel the world and find stone that is supposed to be millions of years old and go somewhere else and it is found in strata that is supposed to be hundreds of millions of years old. Some fossils are on the surface, others 10 feet deep, others even deeper. All the same fossils all in the same period. It’s is MADE UP!
Many of the massive limestone deposits we see at various locations throughout the world can be explained by Noah’s flood. In such cases, the evidence suggests that they did not grow in place, but rather were deposited by a massive flood.
I was presented with a picture with no data, and therefore I could only comment on how it APPEARED to have been formed.
It's called a dam break. Land upheavals happen all the time. One afternoon can change the whole contour of a Continent. We know Pangea broke up, we know mammoths died standing up with flowers in their stomachs, and we know the magnetic poles have swapped.
Gen: 10: 25
So you believe in continental drift, but not in geological time?
Can you please calculate the heat generated by moving a continent 1,000 miles in less than 6,000 years?
==Grand Canyon with a Young Earth model. They will simply say the flood could have cut it without any kind of rational explaination of the formations that compose it.
Mt. St Helens demonstrates how fast something the size of the Grand Canyon could be cut given the massive forces involved in the Noatic flood. It also shows how fast Heterogeneous sedimentary layers can be layed down. And speaking of the Grand Canyon, I have read both sides of the debate, and I find the catastrophic explanation by far the most plausible.
Talking to evo's is like paper training a dog. You have to rub their noses in it and smear it on their face before they finally get it. Just as "scientists" say we are all gonna die if we don't ride mopeds, every day the snow gets deeper and more record cold days are set all over the world. They are in a panic to get some sort of "treaty" signed to take our money before they next ice age. Scientists with dire warnings about Mt St Helens not "healing" for hundreds or thousands of years was proven wrong in 1 year. It doesn't take thousands or millions of years to get things done in God's Kingdom.
Uniformitarianism is going by the wayside. Darwood’s fanciful creation myth is going by the wayside. The Big Bang has fatal flaws that can only be resolved by endless fudge-factors. As such, perhaps it is you who are standing in the way of scientific progress.
==The idea of millions of years comes from the Catholic Church, from Origen of Alexandria (185-254 AD)
Wrong:
Origen: ‘After these statements, Celsus, from a secret desire to cast discredit upon the Mosaic account of the creation, which teaches that the world is not yet ten thousand years old, but very much under that, while concealing his wish, intimates his agreement with those who hold that the world is uncreated. For, maintaining that there have been, from all eternity, many conflagrations and many deluges, and that the flood which lately took place in the time of Deucalion is comparatively modern, he clearly demonstrates to those who are able to understand him, that, in his opinion, the world was uncreated. But let this assailant of the Christian faith tell us by what arguments he was compelled to accept the statement that there have been many conflagrations and many cataclysms, and that the flood which occurred in the time of Deucalion, and the conflagration in that of Phaethon, were more recent than any others.’ Contra Celsum (Against Celsus) 1.19, Ante-Nicene Fathers4:404.
God created trees already grown also. That doesn't imply that he wants us to believe they were a certain age or was trying to fool somebody...just that he wanted a mature world for humans to live in.
==1.)Why is there no mention of Dinos in the bible?
Whatever gave you that idea?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2187496/posts?page=30#30
==2.)The record of man, real records, goes back more than 6,000 years.
Cite your evidence.
==It mystifies me that so many hang their belief in God entirely on this 6,000 year nonsense. I’m thankful that my faith does not rest on such a silly notion.
If you are embarrassed by the “silly” notions of the Bible, then perhaps your faith is of and in this world.
“God created trees already grown also. That doesn’t imply that he wants us to believe they were a certain age or was trying to fool somebody...just that he wanted a mature world for humans to live in.”
Assuming your case is correct in order to use it to provide evidence is flawed argumentation.
“If you are embarrassed by the “silly” notions of the Bible, then perhaps your faith is of and in this world.”
It’s not the Bible that’s silly; it’s clinging to a literalist interpretation of a passage as the evidence from the sciences mounts that such an interpretation is incorrect.
Although it is refreshing to see Sola Scriptura Protestants dust off the writings of the Church Fathers to bolster their disintegrating arguments...
TRANSLATION:
What happened at Mount St. Helens correlates exactly with what Polybius posted in Post 58.
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Tell me dirtboy, how long did it take to form the following sedimenary layers?
A. If the layers are devoid of any sign of fossil deposits, they could be laid down in a single day by ash from volcanic activity.
B. If every layer has identical fossil deposits from exactly the same biological ecosystem (say, late 20th Century Washington State), they could have been laid down in a single week of floods.
C. If the layers each contains fossil deposits different from the other layers and from different biological eras, it could have taken thousands of years or millions of years depending on how deep the layers are.
Many old earth myths were destroyed with Mt St Helens
No, they were not.
If you excavate the layers at Mount St. Helens back to the pre-ereuption level, you will find nothing other than A and B. You will not find a single fossil of, say, a saber tooth tiger or a mastodon or even a buffalo that might have roamed Washington State before the white man killed them off in the 1800's.
ALL you will find will be biological deposits found in the ecosystem of the late 20th Century in that particular portion of Washington State. And maybe a Ford Pinto.
58 posted on Tuesday, February 17, 2009 9:27:41 AM by Polybius
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There is no need to consult the writings of the Church fathers, unless old-earth compromisers bring them up. The Bible says God created the heavens, the earth, and everthing in it in six days. If you want to pick and choose which parts of God’s word you believe an which parts you don’t, that is your business. But don’t pretend your theological swiss cheese comes from the Bible.
Never claimed it was evidence.
However, it lines up with what the Bible claims.
The fact that I can read and know history gave me that idea. If you wish to believe otherwise that is up to you. I am tired of debating with a person who blindly ignores facts. I am not an evo, I already stated that, but I believe in facts and the facts say man has been on this planet, proved by records and artifacts, for more than 6000 years. Believe what you wish, I know what is true.
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