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House shoots down federal gun controls-(State Rights vs FedS)
ap ^ | 2/14/09 | KAHRIN DEINES

Posted on 02/14/2009 8:12:51 PM PST by Flavius

Associated Press Writer HELENA, Mont. (AP) Firearms manufactured and used in Montana would be exempt from federal regulation, under a bill the Montana House is supporting.

House Bill 246 aims to circumvent federal authority over interstate commerce, which is the legal basis for most gun regulation in the United States. The bill could have the effect of releasing Montana gun owners from federal registration requirements.

The measure applies to firearms, firearm accessories and ammunition that are made and sold in the state.

The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Joel Boniek of Livingston, says his proposal is more about states' rights than about gun rights.

(Excerpt) Read more at kxmb.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Montana
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; 2nd; banglist; lp; lping; statesrights
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To: Still Thinking

This is real Stimulus.


41 posted on 02/15/2009 11:40:38 AM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: MrB
Is there such a thing as a nationwide 10th amendment movement/organization with state level branches?

As near as I can tell this movement appears to have been initiated by a libertarian group. I haven't done the research to track down the genesis however. God bless 'em, whoever and wherever they are!

I have come to understand that this is perhaps the only way to save our liberty from nationwide socialism/fascism.

I have come to the same conclusion. For the better part of a hundred years it seems the states were our watchmen when it came to an overbearing feral government. They jeolously guarded their, and coincidentally our rights with something approaching "eternal vigilance". Since the Civil War, many states still appeared to be proactive in many areas but as more time passed and more infringements from the fedguv were endured by the states, the powers GUARANTEED by the Constitution to the states began to erode and move towards the feral beast. Even so, nothing has really changed Constitutionally. With noted exceptions(16th, 17th eg), there have been NO amendments re the diminution of states' rights. Laws/rules/regulations/mandates and other infringements handed down from the DC mount notwithstanding, the states still have their original positions in relation to the fedguv, if they but choose to assert them.

We have to pressure our state legislatures to stand up and assert state sovereignty.

ABSOLUTELY! And support and encourage those making the moves towards reclaiming their rightful postions as the dog and NOT the tail.

42 posted on 02/15/2009 11:48:34 AM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: MrB; El Gato; y'all
However, what if the state refused or resisted enforcement?
What if two states did... or 20?

State officials have a constitutional DUTY to resist unconstitutional 'laws'.. -- And if they insist on an opinion [on this basis] before the SCOTUS, they cannot lose.

The ensuing constitutional crisis could only result in making idiotic decisions like 'Wickard v Filburn, 1942' null and void.

43 posted on 02/15/2009 1:17:56 PM PST by jtom36
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To: Cuttnhorse

Thanks for the after lunch smile!!

Idaho is a Very Red State & Thank God for that!!

Our friend moved around Flathead Lake and shortly after his arrival they had a Gay Pride parade...L.O.L

He claimed Idaho had to many transplant liberals...L.O.L

Idaho is the State that throws “objects” that are not bolted down at our Senators during Town hall meetings {Craig}He joined with Bush over the Border issue


44 posted on 02/15/2009 2:09:44 PM PST by Idabilly
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To: ForGod'sSake; AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; ...

Thanks FGS.


45 posted on 02/15/2009 6:44:25 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Flavius
Associated Press Writer HELENA, Mont. (AP) Firearms manufactured and used in Montana would be exempt from federal regulation, under a bill the Montana House is supporting.

We really need this in Texas.

46 posted on 02/15/2009 6:51:04 PM PST by Centurion2000 (01-20-2009 : The end of the PAX AMERICANA.)
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To: TLEIBY308
States rights are starting to pop up all over.The peacefull revolution is starting.

Music to my ears! We don't have to tolerate this crap. We can walk. The world will notice if they try to shoot us. (the world will also notice us shooting back if they do!)

47 posted on 02/15/2009 6:55:20 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: VR-21

Ted Turner, founder of CNN, is a resident of Montana...


48 posted on 02/15/2009 6:56:45 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Some states started selling out to the Federal government after the New Deal when all the goodies started to appear. Why tax your own citizens when you can get “blended” tax money from people all over the continent? After the new Trillion dollar handout bill, fewer states will challenge the Federal government because they will quickly get intoxicated with the free money. They will sell their sovereignty for Federal Reserve Notes...
49 posted on 02/15/2009 7:00:14 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Add me to the list, please.


50 posted on 02/15/2009 7:08:47 PM PST by LTCJ (God Save the Constitution - Tar & Feathers, The New Look for Spring '09)
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To: April Lexington
After the new Trillion dollar handout bill, fewer states will challenge the Federal government because they will quickly get intoxicated with the free money.

Do you suspect it was designed to do just that???

51 posted on 02/15/2009 9:41:35 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: LTCJ

Done, and welcome aboard.


52 posted on 02/15/2009 9:43:09 PM PST by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: A lie will travel halfway around the world before the truth can get its shoes on!)
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To: Joe Brower; bamahead

Ping


53 posted on 02/16/2009 6:57:25 AM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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The bill's sponsor, Republican Rep. Joel Boniek of Livingston, says his proposal is more about states' rights than about gun rights.



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54 posted on 02/16/2009 7:27:57 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: madison10
Wonder how the job market is in Montana?

The last time I was in MT, I asked that question and got the following answer: "The best way to make a small fortune by moving to Montana is to bring a big one."

That said, I love it dearly and would move there happily if either a job opportunity arose or if, God forbid, Georgia crossed the line into tyranny.

Below zero temperatures are easier to bear when you're free.

55 posted on 02/16/2009 7:35:59 AM PST by AngryJawa (Obama's Success is America's Failure)
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To: ForGod'sSake

Please add me to your ping list
Thanks
:)


56 posted on 02/16/2009 7:40:10 AM PST by mcar
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To: Cuttnhorse
“The job market is lousy and it is barely a red state. We call Missoula, Moscow in the Rockies.”


Add to that:

The scenery, wildlife, and topography are just plain boring—Montana makes Indiana seem like Disney on steroids (no offense to Hoosiers); the water is terrible—if you can find it; the air is thick enough at sunup to float a crowbar and by sundown it has turned so solid that the buzzards and other carrion eaters just walk on it from one dead tree to the next; the people are just downright mean—probably due to the unchecked overcrowding; it gets so cold in the winter that you have to bring the antifreeze inside to keep it from freezing, and it gets so hot in the summer that the mud on your shoes turns to glass; you can always spot a 4th+ generation native Montanan: one leg is 4” shorter than the other; this is a genetic trait that evolves after three generations of leaning constantly at a 45-degree angle while walking into the nonstop Cat 4 hurricane-force wind . . . that’d be a “calm” day.

+1 “Moscow in the Rockies.” I couldn't find a pair of boots anywhere within 100 miles of Missoula, but I was able to get a great deal on a pair of Birkenstocks and a hemp beret at the “One World” shop, the one tucked between the main Starbuck’s (there's at least one on every corner) and Whole Foods. Lately, the place has been overrun with folks from Massachusetts and California: there are rumors circulating that they have introduced legislation to have the State's name changed to either Califusetts or Massafornia. As I recall, a then future POTUS staged quite the rally there not long ago. Lots of support. VERY LIBERAL state. Not a place for non-democrats. Nosireebobcattail.

Most people who move to Montana from out East simply dry up and are blown away like tumbleweeds. Some folks claim it's because they become dessicated from crying tears of despair.

NO. You certainly DO NOT want to move to Montana!

(/sarc)

57 posted on 02/16/2009 8:24:25 AM PST by shoutingandpointing
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To: wku man
Peaceful until the jackbooted thugs step in (or the Obama Internal Security Forces). What then, fold up the tents, go home and be contented slaves? Or...

I was wondering the same thing. What would happen when a test cases arises? Let's say some Montana gun shop starts purchasing firearms that are illegal under federal law, but which would - as construed from this bill, if it passes - NOT be illegal under Montana law. The Feds come in in force, start to go all JBT on the guy. Would the Montana police step in and intervene on the shop owner's side?

This bill is a clear case of nullification, which is usually unconstitutional. However, if the laws being nullified are themselves unconstitutional, then I can't see how the Feds would have any standing beyond the willingness to use blatant, open force to enforce unconstitutional SCOTUS rulings, etc. (and no, "unconstitutional SCOTUS rulings" is not a contradiction in terms).

58 posted on 02/16/2009 8:28:03 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: shoutingandpointing

Yep, I believe you summed up the state very nicely...with the exception of not mentioning that half of Hollywood own most of the ranches in the state...including the largest land owner and proud Montanan Ted Turner...snicker.


59 posted on 02/16/2009 8:30:49 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

But, Montana should be commended for the legislation. Not only they have made their state safer, but it will actually create jobs with the manufacturing”

I propose a secede action by the following states:
Idaho-Montana-Wyoming-N Dakota-S Dakota-Nebraska-Kansas-Oklahoma-Texas-Colorado-Utah-Nevada.

Call them the Westers States of America.

Slogan: Remember 9/11

Flag: White Background with a GOLD $ dollar sign.


60 posted on 02/16/2009 8:31:54 AM PST by ridesthemiles
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