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Porkulus Bill LIVE THREAD- CSPAN- 02/13/09 (*60-38 PORK PASSES*)
02/13/09 | Congress

Posted on 02/13/2009 6:59:34 AM PST by TornadoAlley3

each Rep allowed one minute to speak.


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To: Sig Sauer P220
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201 posted on 02/13/2009 9:01:46 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: ladyvet

Is Sander Levin of Michigan related to Carl Levin of Michigan?


202 posted on 02/13/2009 9:03:35 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (There ought to be one day -- just one -- when there is open season on Senators --- Will Rogers)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

I believe they are brothers.


203 posted on 02/13/2009 9:04:51 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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204 posted on 02/13/2009 9:05:10 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: ladyvet

they are.

http://bioguide.congress.gov/scripts/biodisplay.pl?index=l000261


205 posted on 02/13/2009 9:06:05 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: NordP

Sry— here late— What did Carter say?


206 posted on 02/13/2009 9:06:20 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: TornadoAlley3
Big Sister Pelosi: “All bills are considered read. All bills have always been read.”

“Oceania is at war with Eastasia. Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.”

(with apologies to George Orwell)

207 posted on 02/13/2009 9:08:19 AM PST by Deo volente (High Noon, January 20, 2009: Our long national nightmare begins.)
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To: Deo volente

Did he just say 20 million Americans were going to lose their jobs during his 2 minute speech?


208 posted on 02/13/2009 9:09:07 AM PST by jennyjenny
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To: Deo volente

Heriatge Foundation

Why the Rush?

While campaigning for passage of his economic stimulus plan at the Caterpillar, Inc. plant in East Peoria, Illinois, yesterday President Barack Obama again claimed that “if Congress passes our plan, this company will be able to rehire some of the folks who were just laid off.” But after the President had hopped back in his motorcade, ABC News asked Caterpillar CEO Jim Owens if what the President said was true: “I think realistically no. The truth is we’re going to have more layoffs before we start hiring again.” Owens is not the only one casting doubt on the Obama Administration’s audacious job creation numbers. The White House has already retreated from the “4 million jobs” number Obama repeatedly cited in his press conference this Monday and is now claiming the stimulus plan will create or save 3.5 million new jobs. But as the Washington Post details today, most other estimates are far below that number.

Global Insight estimates the plan will only create 2.5 million jobs and Macroeconomic Advisers puts the number at just 2.3 million. With some welcome humility, the Congressional Budget Office is only offering a range of job creation that stretches from 1.3 to 3.9 million. Even the Obama Adminstration’s favorite point man on economic forecasting, Mark Zandi, is projecting that the bill will only create 2.2 million jobs. But these estimates are all based off of different versions of the plan. The MA numbers are based off the original House bill. The GI numbers off the Senate’s $838 billion version. The CBO numbers off the Senate’s $887 billion version. The Post is not clear, but it appears that Zandi’s numbers are based on the current version of the bill that is scheduled to be voted on today. We’re glad he was able to get his hands on a detailed enough version of the bill to run his scientific projections, because the people who actually have to vote on the plan did not get the final text until 11 p.m. last night.

The House Democrats have previously promised that all conference reports would be made publicly available for 48 hours before consideration. Last night House Democrats voted to break that promise to the American people. Clocking in at 1419 pages, a Member of Congress would have to read 2.63 pages a minute without taking a break to read the whole bill before the House begins proceedings. Meanwhile, it appears that select lobbyists had final versions of the bill hours before our elected representatives did.

Federal lawmakers are not the only ones frustrated by the rushed and completely nontransparent process. In Idaho, Canyon County Commissioner Steve Rule tells the Los Angeles Times: “The answers that we’re getting are rather oblique. ‘We don’t know.’ That’s the part that’s frustrating for us. ... We’re told to put our name on a list and see what comes out of Washington to the state and see what happens.” Democrat Dick Thompson, who is coordinating the state of Washington’s lobbying efforts, adds: “Anybody who thinks they can tell you definitively what’s going on is conning you.”

The more news that comes out about this stimulus bill, the less it makes sense. The Politico reports today that the projected local job creation numbers the White House is using to lobby for the bill simply do not add up. And the Wall Street Journal reports that federal agencies simply do not have the contracting manpower to manage what is a truly unprecedented explosion of government spending. The final version of the bill includes $8 billion in earmarked funding for a super train between Los Angeles and Las Vegas. The environmental impact studies alone will take more than five years to complete. Would it really be a ‘catastrophe’ if all this long term spending were properly reviewed, debated, and voted on? Or maybe President Obama’s Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel was speaking the truth when he said: “Never let a serious crisis go to waste. What I mean by that is it’s an opportunity to do things you couldn’t do before.”


209 posted on 02/13/2009 9:09:27 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3
My Arkansas Congressman will be as useless as usual:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2184680/posts)

210 posted on 02/13/2009 9:10:05 AM PST by pulaskibush (Thou shalt tax/steal from Peter to help Paul/Pablo is not in the Bible!)
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To: TornadoAlley3

211 posted on 02/13/2009 9:10:57 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: pulaskibush

Yay, Rep. Jack Kingston (R-Ga)


212 posted on 02/13/2009 9:11:52 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (There ought to be one day -- just one -- when there is open season on Senators --- Will Rogers)
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Mickey Mouse will be envious of San Francisco rat said some Republican, did not catch R’s name.... Obey says he wishes R’s would make up mind whether mouse or rats, Obey shouting with House R’s to “show it to me...”


213 posted on 02/13/2009 9:11:53 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

WHAT!!!

I Obey said “If they’d read it”!!!!

WHAT WAS THE FIRST PART OF HIS SENTENCE!!!

btw— KINGSTON RAWKED!!!


214 posted on 02/13/2009 9:12:18 AM PST by eeevil conservative (GIVE ME A PLACE TO STAND AND I WILL MOVE THE EARTH....Archimedes)
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To: Sig Sauer P220

Who’s the A-hole from Wisconsin? Geez.


215 posted on 02/13/2009 9:12:24 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (There ought to be one day -- just one -- when there is open season on Senators --- Will Rogers)
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To: truthandlife

we are at a “silent civil war”

I have a feeling it will reach a breaking point and it will no longer be silent. I don’t see a peaceful future in this country.


216 posted on 02/13/2009 9:12:26 AM PST by mojitojoe (None are more hopelessly enslaved, as those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Sessions on senate floor speaking now.


217 posted on 02/13/2009 9:12:37 AM PST by TornadoAlley3 (Obama is everything Oklahoma is not.)
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To: TornadoAlley3

Obey: “Find it and show it to me.” Said by the guy who won’t allow time to read it.


218 posted on 02/13/2009 9:12:40 AM PST by ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas (I want to "Buy American" but the only things for sale made in the USA are politicians)
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To: ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas

The treasonous McDimwit from Washington is spewing now.


219 posted on 02/13/2009 9:13:27 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (There ought to be one day -- just one -- when there is open season on Senators --- Will Rogers)
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To: TornadoAlley3

So, is it in there or not?


220 posted on 02/13/2009 9:14:24 AM PST by refreshed
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