Posted on 02/03/2009 12:48:56 AM PST by Hetty_Fauxvert
As expected, the Fresno Unified School District board room was jammed last Thursday as the State Water Resources Control Board conducted a workshop/hearing on proposed septic and well system regulations. The room holds 149 people and the crowd was so big, folks were sitting in the aisles and standing against the wall.
Speaker after speaker -- including three Madera County officials -- criticized either the proposals or the process.
The crowd was at times hostile to the Water Board representatives, who did a good job of keeping their cool.
At other times, speakers elicited roars of laughter or shouts of support and sustained applause.
Passed by the Legislature in 2000, AB885 ordered the Water Board to come up with regulations covering septic systems. The proposals were to have come out in 2004, but were released Nov. 7, 2008. The public was given until Feb. 9 to respond.
Among the proposals is that every existing septic system in the state be tested for solids every five years. The Water Board estimates this cost at $325. Where an owner has both septic and a well, the well must also be tested every five years for certain elements -- again estimated at $325.
For new systems, special filters will be required and manuals on operation of the systems must be passed to new owners of the property.
The Water Board held regional meetings like the one in Fresno all around the state. Representing the board in Fresno was Tam Doduc. Water Board staff member James Giannopoulos was frequently called on for comments and answers to questions.
In her opening statement, Doduc told the crowd, "Nothing is set in stone." She also suggested that the public had been notified, which drew derisively shouts of "no" from the audience.
Spreading the word about the proposals and the workshops/hearings was one of the big criticisms from speakers, one that Doduc said would be corrected for the next round of comments. Once this comment period is finished, the proposals will go back to the board for possible -- likely, if Doduc is to be believed -- revisions. That will trigger another comment period before the final regulations are adopted as state law.
Doduc also assured the people that the next publications on the proposals will be in plain English. That answered complaints that the proposals are written, for the most part, by engineers for engineers and difficult for the general public to understand.
Most of the people who spoke said they live in the foothills, and many added that they sought the Mountain Area way of life to get away from government interference with their lives.
One guy, who could have walked right out of a movie about old cowboys, ambled to the microphone and said he feels the regulations are an invasion of his privacy. Then he wondered why the state was taking so much interest in his manure. "My horses produce more than I do, and you're not interested in them," he said.
A woman challenged the board's estimated costs for the inspections and tests. She said if well inspections are for septic-related bacteria only, the cost is $50, but for a complete list of heavy metals and other elements, the cost is nearly $500. She also said the $325 estimate for checking the tank is way off. With travel costs, digging (a back hoe fee, etc.) plus the hourly cost of equipment, the costs can go up to $1,600.
Like several others, she told the board that regional conditions should be considered. Septic and well conditions are different in the valley or in the beach areas than they are in the mountains.
"Why should it have to be one size fits all?" she said.
She also pointed out that filters, as called for in the new systems, will have to be maintained -- pulled out and cleaned.
Jill Yeager, director of the Madera County Environmental Health Department, cited ongoing costs to owners and the burden regulations will put on low-income people.
"I need clarity," she said, on how the proposals will be enforced. "Will we have to tell people they have to leave their homes because they can't afford (to meet the regulations)?" she asked.
She also suggested the Water Board launch a public education program on the care and maintenance of septic system.
Madera County Supervisors Tom Wheeler -- fifth district, North Fork -- and Frank Bigelow -- first district, O'Neals -- also addressed the panel.
Wheeler said it is this kind of legislation that is driving people out of California.
Bigelow, a member of the Regional Council of Rural Counties, said the agency had sent the board a letter in 2005 with concerns about the proposals and those concerns had not been addressed.
But, he said as the meeting was drawing to a close, "I remain hopeful you'll be flexible." However he said he feels the board has gone way beyond the scope of the law.
The final meeting to review the proposals will be Feb. 9 in Sacramento. After that, the Water Board is to consider the comments, revise the proposed regulations, issue another set of regulations for public comment, then adopt the new regulations.
The tentative time line for that is to rewrite the regulations by the end of July and have a 30-day comment period in August.
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About AB885:
All public comment must be received or postmarked on or before Feb. 9.
Comments may be sent to tthompson@waterboards.ca.gov or to
State Water Resources Control Board, Division of Water Quality, Attn: Todd Thompson,
1001 I St., 15th Floor, P.O. Box 2231, Sacramento, CA 95812.
The final hearing in this round of public input is Feb. 9, 1:30 p.m. at the California EPA Building, Byron Sher Auditorium, 1001 I St., Sacramento.
Full texts plus a wealth of other information, some of it in Q&A format, may be found on the Water Board website, www.waterboards.ca.gov/water_issues/programs/septic_tanks.
"Jill Yeager, director of the Madera County Environmental Health Department, cited ongoing costs to owners and the burden regulations will put on low-income people.
"'I need clarity,' she said, on how the proposals will be enforced. 'Will we have to tell people they have to leave their homes because they can't afford (to meet the regulations)?' she asked."
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'Nuff said, I think. Californians, get busy! Write! Email! Call!
More taxation and more power to people that don’t need to be in power.
People, they want your money and your freedom.
The California legislature running rampant is starting to bite hard.
easy answer, move back to the city. thats their real goal.
True. But they don't want rural residents more. They deplore landowners and will use the green/EPA/socialist excessive regulations to eventually confiscate private property.
yitbos
Don’t worry CA they will keep your money and ask for more.
There is a safety issue involved here though. A failing, or failed septic system can contaminate the ground water. If you have a septic system, and a relatively shallow well, you should be testing for fecal coliform bacteria on a regular basis. But that doesn’t cost hundreds of dollars.
A bad septic system can also contaminate surface water. I know of two such instances here in my small township, of ponds being completely wasted by nearby septic systems.
I think the Water Board and California are more F O S than any resident’s septic tank....
Soon the whole of California will be kind of like a big, technical Disney ride, where people get on a little train and are shepherded through a maze of scenes depicting how free people used to live. We’ll see animated robots, or maybe third world immigrants, all costumed up to appear like 20th century californians and making motions like they’re doing something fun, or productive. Tourists will be able to see a suburban home with a real family (robots, of course), and then be whisked off to the sequoias, but they won’t be able to get out of the wagon and touch them. They’ll be offered a glimpse of Yosemite, a look at the seals, and then be rushed on to a shop that sells post cards of 1950’s Hollywood Blvd, before the filth of liberalism left its film. And, of course, all will be narrated by a guide with a heavy spanish accent. California will have its tourists, and its tepid inner cities, and the Greenies will have everything else persona non grata.
Dumb question I guess, but how does someone become a tester? At $350 a crack, and maybe more, for both a septic tank and for well water it would be a job an out of work person would want to qualify for.
Any time you hear these words in a public meeting, it's already a done deal.
They hold these useless meetings to give the timid, naive, and politically ignorant the feeling that somehow, they have some type of input that will influence the outcome of the proposal, when in reality, just the opposite occurs.
Any time you hear of anything that is proposed by a governmental entity, it is always the "camel's nose" sticking under the tent. Shortly, the rest of the body will follow. This rule ALWAYS applies.
That would depend on where your shallow well is located relative to your septic tank. If the well is upgradient then there would be no need for the test, at least with respect to constituents from the tank. If I had a shallow well I would probably test it for coliform just as a routine safety measure in any case.
I think its the heavy metal analysis that is kicking up the pricetag.
>need clarity,’ she said, on how the proposals will be enforced.
That is pretty clear.
They will levy fines, and then liens on the property.
These fines can legally be constructed to accrue on a daily basis, so it would not take long before the lien amount would be high enough to perfect the lien and claim your property.
FYI
I don’t know about Madera or Fresno, but when I lived in Tulare County our well was over 600 feet deep.
” At $350 a crack, and maybe more, for both a septic tank and for well water it would be a job an out of work person would want to qualify for.”
That is basically a lab fee. The job is just filling little bottles.
“I think its the heavy metal analysis that is kicking up the pricetag. “
Correct!
Here in Northern Ohio, some “gravel wells” may be as shallow as 40 feet. We have the “test every 5 years” rule for septic systems. And,,, heavy machinery isn’t involved. There’s always an access cover somewhere so that the pit can be pumped out.
I would submit that this "testing" is a complete waste of time and resources for everyone. For the one in a few thousand that shows a problem, that problem was most certainly already apparent. There is no test that will show a septic system that "about to fail" or "nearly failed". They either work, or they don't work, and when they fail it tends to be spectacularly so, and it doesn't go unnoticed. Then people get them fixed. The testing accomplishes nothing.
The five-year interval is ridiculous. They only set it at five years hoping that people will think the new "tax" isn't so bad and they'll go along with it. Then they'll amend it to annual. And it will still accomplish nothing.
I see. The big money will be in the labs then. Be interesting to see which labs get the bulk of the work.
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