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A 9/11 family member chides the new President for closing Guantanamo terror camp
911FamiliesForAmerica.org ^ | Janaury 25, 2009 | Michael Burke

Posted on 01/25/2009 3:26:05 AM PST by Sergeant Tim

This morning, the New York Daily News published my op-ed on President Barack Obama's decision to close Guantanamo and suspend the Military Commissions:

With his shameful order to close Guantanamo Bay, President Obama has perfectly filled the stereotype of the classic clueless ultra-Liberal -- the one who can generate great passion for the rights of the guilty defendant and none for the innocent victim.

With a single stroke of the pen, Obama has delayed justice for the victims of 9/11, and in essence granted a reprieve for Al Qaeda mastermind Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, the architect of 9/11.

America does not honor our "rule of law and the rights of man" as he put in his inauguration speech by such an action. Instead, this nation abdicated its duty to justice.

It seems the new President is too far removed from the victims of 9/11. Victims like 11-year-old Bernard Curtis Brown, a passenger on American Airlines Flight 77, which crashed into the Pentagon. Everyone onboard was killed, as well as [125] people in the Pentagon. Curtis was on a trip with several of his classmates to California sponsored by National Geographic.

Obama and the Democrats have had a blind spot for 9/11 and have yet to show they have an ounce of understanding what happened that day.

Here is why we were attacked: Muslim extremists hate Americans and want us dead. Our policies in no way influenced the vitriol perpetuated on innocent Americans on September 11, 2001. ...


(Excerpt) Read more at 911familiesforamerica.org ...


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To: Republic

I’ve a two predictions that I’ll put money behind, in Las Vegas, if I can get decent odds on.

The first is conditional. If the detainees are tranferred to the U.S., at least one of them will be released on bail while awaiting trial or deportation hearings.

Secondly, I predict that sometime during the next four years at least one of the current 14 high-value detainees will testify during a Congressional hearing.


81 posted on 01/25/2009 9:27:19 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: Baynative

More than a few of the detainees speak English fluently.


84 posted on 01/25/2009 9:42:39 AM PST by Sergeant Tim (In the War on Terror, there is no place to run from here.)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Not what I said, I said “Also, I don’t think he has ever known liberty or he would not think like that.”

Surely you know that a persons thoughts and opinions are dictated by ones environment and life experiences.

T he last half of the above sentence clearly proves my point - you really don’t understand and will never understand what I’m talking about


First this was a joke because it´s allways funny to watch some americans really believing (and beeing so ignorant in this case) that they are the only “real” free (what ever this means) country on this planet.

but now? in all seriousness just one question where to hell do you think i´m living? in iran or saudia arabia? because it sounds like that. it´s called austria (central europe)
you really think that you are more free or that you have more liberties than me? hey we both live in a western democracy there for you like me are (in theory) as free as 51% of the voters want us to be.


85 posted on 01/25/2009 9:50:23 AM PST by austrian
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To: austrian

Look here hot shot, I know where Austria is and I know what it is. Austria has never known real liberty and has always been subject to the whim of kings, monarchs or some other flavor of tin pot dictators whereas America has never been ruled by either but by elected presidents.

Also, I refer to times past when I was a younger man, I knew what liberty was and I am not naive enough to think it is what we have now.

In the end though and in totality with as much defiance as I have, I disagree with you.


86 posted on 01/25/2009 10:07:20 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: austrian

Don’t get me wrong, but your entire post #10 is bullcrap.


87 posted on 01/25/2009 10:27:11 AM PST by Fudd Fan ("Hope & Change" it's a COOKBOOK! Hey you obamabots, MY Messiah is pro-life!)
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To: Sergeant Tim

President Obama is trying to govern by appeasment and that will be his undoing


88 posted on 01/25/2009 10:28:12 AM PST by screaming eagle2
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To: austrian

How’s life in the liberal cocoon you live in? Will you volunteer to take in one or two of the guests? suspect...NOT.


89 posted on 01/25/2009 10:44:11 AM PST by tweakDU
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To: austrian
don´t get me wrong if i would be forced to chose a country where i would have to live. the US would be in my list but it would not make it into the top 5 for example. so jealous no. Cool country but far not the only one. so stop thinking every body would love to live there and is just jealous because he doesn´t.

Good grief. I don't see anyone risking their lives to get into Austria, or any other country on this earth for that matter.

Frankly I do not give one cool damn who likes the USA or who doesn't. Jealousy gives rise to many wierd opinions, and I just thank God every day to be an American. I will never apologize for that to anyone.

90 posted on 01/25/2009 10:48:40 AM PST by Fudd Fan ("Hope & Change" it's a COOKBOOK! Hey you obamabots, MY Messiah is pro-life!)
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To: WorkerbeeCitizen

Also, conservatism and liberalism are not nation dependent, they are more a behavior/belief system more than anything.
Most Americans crave liberty to the extent we would be willing the kill or be killed for it.
We crave unbounded liberty to pursue happiness, be it wealth and materiel happiness, religious liberty or own our property without fear of government confiscation unfettered by government.
That my friend is what you don’t get.


oh believe me i know many americans in personal :) there for i know the “american obsession” about their so called liberty and freedom very well. (i really swear that this post from me is not meant as offense even i´m aware that many will think this way although.) talking with an american about this theme is like walking in a mine field ;) sorry but sometimes i just can´t resist playing the bad a$$. it´s just too funny. but don´t take everything this serious. Let me explain this. as i said i do know enought americans and there for i know that they are really so proud of their country (and just can´t stand it if a forreigner makes fun about it). ok for me as european this is way to much but i know americans are nice people in general (they are just a little “crazy” *from the standart european view* when it comes about america). but believe me this is more a single little cultural difference then a real difference and it´s based most on simple missunderstanding on both sides. for many people here it´s really just a pain in the ear to hear americans talking about “freedom” here “freedom” there. so people tend to get a little snappy because “we” usuall just don´t understand how someone can be so proud of such a “normal” and basic thing like freedom. i guess this results because europe is made of so many countries and there for you easy can visit many countries without having to take a very long trip. and one of the first things you learn is that most countries are just the same (of course there are cultural differences) but they all enjoy far the same rights, freedoms... like you in your own country. so “freedom” is not a big deal because you can see it´s just given every where in different countries around you. so why talk about it all the time. on the other side america is one big country so usually people do not have to leave it this often (and if they leave they have to travel a huge distance to get to an other country) and there for usually do not grow up having so many “other” (i´m not talking about immigrants) people and countries around them. so many tend to think (because they like living in the US as do we in our countries) it has to be the best in this world because
it´s so cool living here and this is viewed as mostly arrogant here in europe because we on the other side just don´t understand how someone can be so proud about this because we just view this as normal. at least this was my impression from people i have met in my life.


91 posted on 01/25/2009 10:49:22 AM PST by austrian
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To: gwilhelm56

Its great to hear your to the reading level now.

So I might be misinterpreting your comment and your were going to tell me something like a declaration of war was declared. Please tell me what country is on that declaration? Or better yet what government it was declared on?


92 posted on 01/25/2009 10:58:33 AM PST by jafojeffsurf (Remedial Study What Wars have been declared in US history?)
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To: jafojeffsurf

You wish to see a Proper declaration of WAR ... See Post #4


93 posted on 01/25/2009 11:03:04 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Mullah Hussein ... which part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW" ...did you NOT UNDERSTAND??)
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To: Fudd Fan

I guess the Servers that hold up Dhummies Underwhelmed and the Daily KOokS must be down.
sounds like we have more than our share of IDIOTS, LIBERALS and RON PAUL KOOKS.


94 posted on 01/25/2009 11:09:56 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Mullah Hussein ... which part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW" ...did you NOT UNDERSTAND??)
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To: gwilhelm56

You are obviously taking my quote out of contents. My response was to the “Alberta’s Child” whom said that this was not a war (IE Iraq / Afghanistan) quote below. That might help you understand my comment.

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It’s only called war if a number of very narrow circumstances have been met. And they are only permitted to participate in war under a similar very narrow set of defined circumstances.

That’s an excellent point. I’d add, however, that the U.S. military campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan probably don’t even constitute “warfare” under the legal standards of the United States.

“Alberta’s Child”


95 posted on 01/25/2009 11:15:31 AM PST by jafojeffsurf
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To: jafojeffsurf

**Please tell me what country is on that declaration? Or better yet what government it was declared on?**

Attention you liberal scumbag.. you changed the subject AGAIN, just like ALL LIBERALS do when then DON’T HAVE A CLUE.

Give me Article and paragraph which shows the PROPER FORM for a Declaration of WAR. Otherwise,

Take your newly Elected MULLAH HUSSEIN to Austrian’s House and all 3 of you can sing KUMBAHYAH!


96 posted on 01/25/2009 11:18:12 AM PST by gwilhelm56 (Mullah Hussein ... which part of "CONGRESS SHALL MAKE NO LAW" ...did you NOT UNDERSTAND??)
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To: austrian

No offense taken from your post #91.

I have been talking about liberty - not quite the same as freedom but very similar.

We derive our liberty from our creator and freedoms are generally granted by a government.

Our bill of rights cover all aspects or our liberty and not one time is the word freedom mentioned but rather rights are enumerated as inalienable, given by our creator.

When the media and the government talk about freedom, the mean those freedoms granted by the governments.

Personally, I tend to ignore the government given freedoms in favor of rights and liberty and ignore laws the detract from my rights - I get into trouble sometimes for though.


97 posted on 01/25/2009 11:20:34 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (The only time I want a Republican reaching across the aisle is to smack a liberal.)
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To: Sergeant Tim

I wouldn’t call this letter a “chide”. I would call it a “well deserved punch in the schnoz”!


98 posted on 01/25/2009 11:24:45 AM PST by Gritty (First, Liberals opposed the Islamofascists. Then they noticed whose side they were on.-EM Terrell)
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To: austrian

Shut up, foreigner. You’re not even an American. How could you know how it felt to lose a loved one on 9/11?

Crawl back into your cave. Your goat is waiting for you.


99 posted on 01/25/2009 11:26:25 AM PST by Palladin (Obama's gift to the world: contraceptives and abortions.)
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To: jafojeffsurf; DieHard the Hunter
The fact that we even have to have a discussion over the very nature of this "war" speaks volumes of the legal idiocy under which it is carried out.

The Congressional authorization for the U.S. military campaigns in Afghanistan is nothing more than an open-ended commitment involving no defined enemy, no conditions for "victory," etc. It can be construed to mean whatever any future administration wants it to mean -- though its ultimate intent is to provide the legal basis for U.S. military commitments that will likely last several generations.

100 posted on 01/25/2009 11:33:19 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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