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Leave the New Deal in the History Books. Cut corporate taxes to zero and create real jobs.
Wall Street Journal ^ | Jan. 17, 2009 | Mark Levey

Posted on 01/17/2009 1:01:23 AM PST by FocusNexus

When Barack Obama takes office on Tuesday, his first order of business will be a stimulus package estimated to be close to $1 trillion, including $300 million in tax cuts and the largest new government spending program for infrastructure since Franklin Delano Roosevelt. Sages nod that replicating aspects of FDR's New Deal will help pull the country out of a recession. But the experience under FDR largely provides a cautionary tale.

Mr. Obama's policy plans are driven by the conventional economic wisdom that the New Deal economic programs ended the Great Depression. Not so. In fact, thanks to New Deal policies and programs, the U.S. economy faltered for years longer than it might otherwise have done.

Mr. Obama will come to office next week with plenty of political capital and the faith of a majority of Americans that he can help pull the country out of its economic woes. As he takes over the reins, his success will be judged not on rhetoric but on the numbers his policies can generate. The best thing he can do is leave the New Deal in the history books.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; bhostimulus; depression; economy; fdroosevelt; franklinroosevelt; greatdepression; newdeal; obama; obamanewdeal; roosevelt; stimulus
An excellent discussion of the reality of FDR's New Deal.

More analysis was done by UCLA professors:

FDR' policies prolonged Depression by 7 years, UCLA economists calculate

1 posted on 01/17/2009 1:01:23 AM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus
"Cut corporate taxes to zero..."

...might get support for that, if taxes for sole proprietorships and partnerships are also nil. But property, inheritance and capital gains taxes should go first.

As a matter of course, revenues should be collected only through sales taxes.


2 posted on 01/17/2009 1:25:04 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: familyop

I would throw the entire tax code into the trash and start all over with no write-offs, no deductions for anything. Married, single, environmentally conscious, home owner, turkey rancher, all would pay according to their income. I would go 10% on corporations, sole props, partnerships and capital gains. If you are a manufacturer (actually make something) and 50%+ of your payroll is American workers you pay 5%.

The so-called death tax should be eliminated as it is the most despicable of all taxes. I would implement a 7% tax on all income up to $50k and 14% for everything over that. I would have a 4% national sales tax on all sales and services with the only exceptions being all food products not considered a snack. I would try to put forward a law that stated any shortfall or future need to raise taxes would come from raising the national sales tax.

This way everyone feels the burden of taxes and all the BS that goes on in Washington would stop in a hurry. They would find ways to make due with the funds they had and would not dare even mention raising taxes. Their voting base of those who are less productive and could care less if taxes were raised would be gone. Congress would have to do their jobs and earn their pay. I think under this plan the economy would begin to start growing in a matter of several months. A few entitlement groups would be red-a$$ed when they saw cuts or eliminations of their particular entitlements but they would get over it, or not. The anger of the American taxpayer never seemed to get them anywhere, so they can get over it too.


3 posted on 01/17/2009 3:04:58 AM PST by WildcatClan (Obama is to the Presidency as Basquiat is to art.)
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To: FocusNexus

I figure the redstream media called it the “great depression” when its anything but great to live through because a better description “ the Franklin depression” would have been entirely too truthful and politically incorrect. I suggest anytime anybody mentions the great depression you correct that person and tell them the accurate description is “the FDR depression”


4 posted on 01/17/2009 3:10:10 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: FocusNexus

I figure the redstream media called it the “great depression” when its anything but great to live through because a better description : the Franklin depression , would have been entirely too truthful and politically incorrect. I suggest anytime anybody mentions the great depression you correct that person and tell them the accurate description is the FDR depression


5 posted on 01/17/2009 3:12:06 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: WildcatClan
"This way everyone feels the burden of taxes and all the BS that goes on in Washington would stop in a hurry."

It would certainly do that. Special interests would probably be willing to go so far as to start a physical war to stop your plan from being legislated, though. ;-) ...and probably the same with my proposition.


6 posted on 01/17/2009 3:22:47 AM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: FocusNexus

No taxes for American companies, who hire Americans and manufacture/service in America with Americans...would truly stimulate the economy.

I would extend this to foreign companies who manufacture and service in America with Americans....if their home countries do not practice VAT/Tarriffs on American goods.

There will always be high taxes on companies as long as we continue Free Trade/Globalism....because those companies and individuals who support such benefit from high US corporate and income taxes.

Of course, the FairTax would eliminate the punitive income taxes on business and individuals....but few are willing to get away from the Marxist-style income tax. Too many preach lower taxes, but want to keep the same bad tax system.

The FDR New Deal plan is criticized by many...but when push comes to shove...few want to get away from it


7 posted on 01/17/2009 3:31:14 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The US Chamber of Commerce is really the Anti-American Collective of Communists)
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To: FocusNexus

CHANGE=80 year old failed policies


8 posted on 01/17/2009 3:35:12 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: FocusNexus

What percentage of our economy is due to non-productive government spending? Washingtonian government is our biggest industry. How long will it be before the whole thing collapses? Does anyone think for one minute that once government begins to grow that anyone in government will voluntarily curtail its growth? All I can say is we better find some ways to protect our assets because under present conditions, they’re not going to be there for long.


9 posted on 01/17/2009 3:43:22 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: FocusNexus
This is what I keep saying, eventually Pelosi, et. al. will come to the realization that their choices are two. 1) Drive the Titanic into the iceberg, or 2) Let someone who knows how to drive take over. We can respond by going to gold, guns, and ammo and watching the tide. Be ready to get out of gold quickly before they realize that people are protecting their wealth from the Fed and make holding gold a crime (like FDR did) and move to something else. If Treasuries go to 20% like they did under Carter that may be the place to go but be careful because if they are driving the boat onto the iceberg Treasuries will be worthless. If you hear the sound of metal on ice it is time to do something big.
10 posted on 01/17/2009 4:10:17 AM PST by wastoute
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To: FocusNexus

Un huh. The WSJ genius columnists were the primary cheerleaders of the venality, greed and out right thievery of the financial pirates on Wall Street and in DC who brought us the latest panic in the financial system. We probably ought to continue to listen to them, right?


11 posted on 01/17/2009 4:28:40 AM PST by Kolokotronis ( Christ is Born! Glorify Him!)
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To: WildcatClan

Wildcat, I like the way you think. :) But the only think you’d have to watch out for is that you had a similar plan on the state level. I’d imagine if you didn’t that liberals would go seeking to implement all sorts of unfunded mandates that the states would have to uphold.


12 posted on 01/17/2009 4:31:08 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: Nateman

I’ve been doing that for a while now.


13 posted on 01/17/2009 4:45:19 AM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: CaspersGh0sts
I’d imagine if you didn’t that liberals would go seeking to implement all sorts of unfunded mandates that the states would have to uphold.

Oh, you got that right. The weasels will always find a way into the coop. :)

14 posted on 01/17/2009 4:57:09 AM PST by WildcatClan (Obama is to the Presidency as Basquiat is to art.)
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To: familyop
...and probably the same with my proposition.

There would be no probably to it. There would be arrows flying both our ways. But dang, it would be worth it to see the gnashing of teeth from the left and all the dreamers of a Socialist Utopia, blow a head pipe.

15 posted on 01/17/2009 5:07:33 AM PST by WildcatClan (Obama is to the Presidency as Basquiat is to art.)
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To: FocusNexus

A conservative solution for the economy? Like that has a chance. There wasn’t a nominee for the Presidency that supported such a thing. On the one hand, we had somebody that readily admitted his ignorance on the economy, OTOH, somebody that readily displays it every time he opens his mouth.

Barack Obama is a fool. Is it still legal to say that?

John McCain lost the White House when he came back to Washington to “rescue” the economy, and did no such thing. IF he had voted against the sell-out, this would be HIS coronation. Even still, though, he would not have advocated the solutions suggested in this article.

This is like the fair tax. It’s a great idea, but it’ll never pass because those in power like things the way they are now, thank you very much.

If America wishes to survive, we need to dig up John Maynard Keynes, drive a stake through his heart, and bury him again, this time permanently.

What’s wrong with the economy? I’ll tell you. Everybody in the Swamp are “all Keynesians now.”


16 posted on 01/17/2009 5:25:25 AM PST by ziravan (Hiring a democrat to cut taxes is like hiring a pedophile to babysit.)
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To: FocusNexus

Obama wouldn’t do that because his goal is to be seen as the benevolent leader who “gave” so much to “his people”.

Allowing the “system” to fix itself wouldn’t do anything for his own image and if we know one thing about Obama is that he is all about himself.

Who else writes an autobiography of their life BEFORE THEY HAVE ACCOMPLISHED ANYTHING?


17 posted on 01/17/2009 5:46:03 AM PST by autumnraine
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To: veritas2002

The one thing which keeps our ship somewhat afloat, is that we’re not the only one producing money like it’s ‘monopoly’. If this wasn’t a world-wide thing, that would make this situation much more different.


18 posted on 01/17/2009 12:37:32 PM PST by Rick_Michael (Have no fear "Senator Government" is here)
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To: WildcatClan

I would do you one better and have a single 10% strict flat income tax for everyone - no deductions, credits, loopholes, or write-offs.


19 posted on 01/17/2009 12:44:57 PM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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