Posted on 01/15/2009 6:04:24 PM PST by SeekAndFind
These two are especially weak. A precisely designed big bang? What precisely does that mean?
"Personal because it made a choice ..." That something happened doesn't imply there was any choice to its happening.
I always find comparisons between the Creation in Genesis and the Big Bang to be interesting, but this is just drawing lines and inferences where they don't exist, à la Schiaparelli.
> ... if you could get inside most Christians' minds, and tap their idea of God, he'd be a human male, speak English, walk magestically, and probably look a lot like Charleton Heston...
I didn't mean that exactly, I meant "he'd be visualized in the form of a male human", meaning "have a male-human-looking form". Head, face, arms, legs, etc. Or if not all the rest, at least a head and face.
There’s no question alot of atheists, if not most, believe in God, otherwise why would they spend so much time and effort trying to convince people they don’t believe in Him?
You spend a considerable amount of time trying to convince people that evolution isn’t real - does that mean that you secretly believe it is?
Moreover there is no mechanism whereby they can hash out the differences with data or a cool experiment or a novel theory that explains old data.
That is why theologians settle things by burning heretics at the stake. They have no other recourse towards showing that they are wrong.
Theologians sitting atop a mountain of ignorance for centuries. Hilarious!
Theologians sitting atop a mountain of ignorance for centuries. Hilarious!
There are many theologian scientists who believe otherwise.
shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai
Yep, ignorance means you don’t know. I don’t know how God created the universe, but I believe he did it. Some scientist have come to the same conclusion.
The Devil has the broadest perspectives for God; therefore he keeps so far away from God—the devil being the most ancient friend of wisdom.
—Nietzsche
> ... did not create the universe, or the world, out of nothing. That is more than a little preposterous. Instead, they organized the elements into the world that we know.
Huh? What elements existed in the Universe prior to the Creation (The Big Bang)?
“living” imply?”
In the case of our “living” God, this does not imply that “living” involves a human being. In contrast, our “living” God may be compared to that of the dead, such as the Greek gods. God our Creator is eternal.
“The Gods did not create the universe, or the world, out of nothing. That is more than a little preposterous.”
You’re correct. God created the universe.
“Instead, they organized the elements into the world that we know.”
Now that is preposterous. You stated that, “You cannot have life without DNA, without form, without emotion and feeling”, and suggest that living beings “organized the elements into the world that we know”?
I find it interesting that with all man has accomplished, he has not been able to create, or recreate for that matter, another universe let alone “organize” elements to form a “world” as complex as our own.
Here is an illustration:
Get Your Own
One day a group of scientists got together and decided that man had come a long way and no longer needed God. So they picked one scientist to go and tell Him that they were done with Him.
The scientist walked up to God and said, “God, we’ve decided that we no longer need you. We’re to the point that we can clone people and do many miraculous things, so why don’t you just go on and get lost?”
God listened very patiently and kindly to the man. After the scientist was done talking, God said, “Very well, how about this? Let’s say we have a man-making contest.” To which the scientist replied, “Okay, great!”
But, God added, “Now, we’re going to do this just like I did back in the old days with Adam.”
The scientist said, “Sure, no problem” and bent down and grabbed himself a handful of dirt.
God looked at him and said, “No, no, no. You go get your own dirt.”
Nietzsche is dead. :^)
Hugh Ross’ position has been completed repudiated. He is, admittedly, an old creationist. But, over and over again, his assertions have been refuted. But, for those of you committed to following him, or believing him, my arguments will fall on deaf ears...so I am not going to bother going any further. If anyone is interested, I will be happy to provide links to well reasoned articles.
This issue is not what could He have done, but what does He say He did.
It doesn’t say how.
Taffeta is an agnostic, and Polyester is a Buddhist.
This is an idea that transcends the Genesis account, it seems to me. The first verse, "In the beginning God created ..." indicates that the flow of time was a precondition of God's activities. It certainly fails to indicate that God created time, or set it in motion, or anything of that sort.
I have stated before that relativistic cosmology is more comprehensive in this regard than is Genesis, even if this is a more or less subtle distinction.
My Bible doesn’t really go into details. Does yours? What does it say?
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