Posted on 01/12/2009 10:09:34 PM PST by LuxMaker
A retired NYPD officer raped a woman after drugging her at a Bronx bar and hauling her to a motel in Westchester, police said.
Greenburgh detectives charged ex-cop Jose Arroyo, 46, with the November rape and kidnapping of the 31-year-old woman.
Arroyo, who left the force in 2005, slipped a drug in the woman's drink while they chatted at Doyle's Pub in Throggs Neck, police said.
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“WRONG. I don’t care if she’s a stripper working a pole. Rape is rape is rape. “
How long have you been posting here that you don’t know what the “/s” sarcasm tag is?
“WRONG. I don’t care if she’s a stripper working a pole. Rape is rape is rape. “
In this case, simply being in a bar is not an invitation to rape. Nor, I suppose, is being a stripper an invitation to rape.
But, some of the stuff that is called “rape” these days should not be, IMHO. In my estimation, the charge of “marital rape” is bogus. I also think that it is impossible for a prostitute to be raped. When a woman has made sex into commerce, the most she should be able to charge is theft of services. In both the foregoing cases, however, if there is violence, then that is a crime. But there is no need to call it “rape.” Simple assault would cover it.
So I guess by your handle that you're a lawyer. Let's say a client stops you as you are going home. The client pulls out a gun and tells you that you'll have to go back to your office and draft a will for him or he will kill you. Since you're a lawyer, does that mean that the only thing he should be charged with is theft of services? No kidnapping? No assault or menancing or whatever it's called in your jurisdiction?
Of course, those crimes would come into play. But there is something about the crime of rape having to do with the intimate nature of the act, and the violation of a woman’s privacy or virtue or morality, or whatever you want to call it. That element is missing, IMO, in the fairly recently minted crime of “marital rape,” and in the “rape” of a prostitute.
I don’t think that a woman’s dress or prior behavior is an excuse for rape. But, consideration of a woman’s character when “rape” is alleged is somehow instinctive, I think, for the reasons stated above. I just think the pendulum has swung too far in the other direction.
BTW, it is the feminists who pushed for the crime of “marital rape,” and who have hounded law enforcement to treat every prostitute claiming rape as if she were a blushing, virginal schoolgirl.
As to the first issue, “marital rape,” it is part of the feminist agenda to weaken the concept and institution of marriage, which, among other things, is a contractual promise to have sex with each other. It is also part of their agenda to demonize men, and to portray every man who persists — even when he knows his wife would really rather not — as a “rapist.”
As to the second issue, it is part of the feminist agenda to eliminate any vestige of traditional morality, and to devalue the idea of sexual virtue, especially for women. Hence, they pretend that there is no substantive difference between a moral woman who is forced by someone to whom she is not married to have sex, and a prostitute who is forced to have sex, then not paid for it. IMHO, there is a dfference, although it’s not something I have thought through sufficiently well to give a complete explanation as to why.
Of course, that's not an element of the crime; rather, rape was defined at common law as a carnal knowledge of a woman not one's wife against her will. The operative language, of course, is "against her will." Rape is a crime because it is a violation of another's liberty; that is, she is forced to do something against her will, the same way as our hypothetical lawyer is taken away against her will, which is kidnapping.
You are right. It is not an “element” of the crime in a legal sense. But it is what makes the crime so offensive — over and above an ordinary assault.
Sources. ;0)
One of THE most ridiculous statements I’ve ever read on these boards. So—every woman who goes to a bar for a drink deserves to be drugged, kidnapped and raped?
He could have joined the force at age 22 and retired after 20 with full pension at 43. Not unusual at all (I have a son with NYPD and my dad was also NYPD).
Would you think the same if some homosexual man slipped the same drug into this guy's drink and he found himself in the same situation as the woman her raped?
this was the first survey of 3 that have been performed. the last 2 have yielded even higher numbers in terms of citizen satisfaction with the job the NYPD is doing.
Dude how do you know she was ‘looking to go home’ with someone. Meet? maybe or maybe just to have a fun night out and talk to some new people.
There are ‘Pub’ Cultures out there and for many of us raised around it going out for a pint does *not* mean going on the prowl.
Patently obvious that you are relatively new around here. lol
I see a new “stupidest thing” every other day. :-D
The cops in my town shakedown profit for Mayor Daley.
Get real means wake up. Why would I or any other sane person believe anything the NYC.gov prints? I imagine the Taliban can release hundreds of surveys showing how kind and loving they are. There are many good Policemen. I realize they are prevented from doing their job. Wrong is wrong no matter who does it. My problem with them is the fact they will close ranks around LAW BREAKERS in their group. I will never respect that in any person.
I am done with you.
LOLOL
You have GOT to be kidding me.
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