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Obama and the Second Amendment (like oil and water)
Fox ^ | 1/12/2009 | John R. Lott, Jr.

Posted on 01/12/2009 6:50:19 PM PST by Red in Blue PA

But Holder’s nomination raises other questions about what President-elect Barack Obama claimed he believed during the campaign. Numerous times he promised that he supported an individual’s right to own guns and that he wouldn’t do anything to take away people’s guns.

Just last year in a brief to the Supreme Court, Holder argued that “the Second Amendment did not protect an individual right to keep and bear arms,” that it only protected government militias’ rights to guns. He claimed that the Second Amendment posed no obstacle to implementing gun bans.

I can’t find even one gun control law that Holder has opposed. On every gun control regulation he has discussed, he has been supportive, including: bans, raising the age that someone can possess a gun, registration and licensing, one-gun-a-month limit on purchases, and mandatory waiting periods.

Even more troubling, while Holder served in the Clinton Justice Department, he oversaw the background check system, but he has never been asked to explain why the system broke down so consistently while he ran it.

The constant breakdowns of "instant" background-check systems during the Clinton administration halted gun sales for hours or even days at a time, costing stores untold sales and additional costs. Even by the end of the Clinton administration, from September 1999 to December 2000, the system was down about one hour for every 16.7 hours of operation. The breakdowns often came in big blocks of time, the worst during a period covering 60 business hours during two weeks in the middle of May 2000. During his tenure, gun shows sometimes found that they couldn’t sell guns during the entire weekend that they were open.

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To: Red in Blue PA

Bring it on, we’ll burn their ass.

They will think twice after the coming backlash.

They will be suffering whiplash. (not Snidley Whiplash but possibly Snotty Whiplash)


21 posted on 01/12/2009 7:52:34 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Red in Blue PA

He’s ignoring the natural citizenship part of the Constitution. Why would we believe he would respect the first or second amendments?
Does anyone actually believe that he will actually respect an oath to support and defend the Constitution?


22 posted on 01/12/2009 7:56:15 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: Red in Blue PA

As I recall, if the NICS does not come back with an answer within 72 hours, you can release the gun. If you call up NICS, and their system is down, then you did your part. The clock begins!


23 posted on 01/12/2009 7:58:54 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Nor are there any background check fees! If someone tries to assess them, buy elsewhere. You don’t PAY for a RIGHT!!!


24 posted on 01/12/2009 8:02:53 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: 2harddrive

Nor are there any background check fees! If someone tries to assess them, buy elsewhere. You don’t PAY for a RIGHT!!!


25 posted on 01/12/2009 8:03:25 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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To: Red in Blue PA

bttt


26 posted on 01/12/2009 8:20:35 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: Red in Blue PA
Given Obama’s brief history in Illinois. As President he will use every means available to him to amend the constitution to suit his needs.
The first step will be to deprive every American the right of self protect by rescinding the Second Amendment. Then the First Amendment will be taken away. Already the UN has voted in affirmation that freedom of speech is illegal.
Obama tends to agree with every resolution the UN passes when it comes to restricting human rights.
27 posted on 01/12/2009 8:38:11 PM PST by Doc91678 (Doc91678)
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To: ChoobacKY
My local dealers often have more guns for sale in the store than are offered in the whole of a typical gun show. Most are new and offered at favorable prices. That is especially true when I'm a regular, cash paying customer. My FFLs keep a watch for special firearms that they know are of interest to me. I agree that the "shows" look more like weekend swap meets full of crap. The last SLC show I botherd to patronize was easily 1/3 swap meet crap. That's a poor return on a 400 mile round trip and $20 entrance fee. I "rescued" the trip by using a 40% off coupon at Borders and enjoyed a nice Brazilian BBQ dinner. The nearest Borders is 110 miles away from my house as well.
28 posted on 01/12/2009 8:56:13 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: EagleUSA
DEMOCRATS You want my guns,Mr.G-man... Take it FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS!
29 posted on 01/12/2009 9:14:27 PM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: Texas Fossil
They will think twice after the coming backlash.

Exactly. I've never purchased a firearm strictly to make a statement, but I think I will be in the very near future. Although not completely a political statement. I predict crime will be rising for the next 4 years. I'm thinking a short Mossberg 12ga for the house (590A1 or 500 tactical cruiser), and a Glock 19 and CC permit for me.

30 posted on 01/12/2009 9:14:32 PM PST by CodeMasterPhilzar
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To: Red in Blue PA

Obama is a sneaky, little bitch. He can promise not to take anyone’s guns away while making it virtually impossible to buy, sell, exchange or use guns and ammunition. His nomination of Holder is step one of that process.


31 posted on 01/12/2009 9:49:28 PM PST by Jeff Gordon ("An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile hoping it will eat him last." Churchill)
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To: Myrddin

Borders? The book store?


32 posted on 01/12/2009 10:31:28 PM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: wastedyears
Borders? The book store?

Yes. All we have is a tiny, poorly stocked "Waldens" in our local mall. I have to make most of my purchases online.

33 posted on 01/12/2009 11:09:35 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Myrddin

How can you have a Brazilian BBQ at a book store?


34 posted on 01/12/2009 11:16:13 PM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: Red in Blue PA
Montana Gov. Brian Schweitzer, a Democrat, promised reporters last August about Obama: “He ain't going to take your gun away. He ain't ever going to take your gun away.” Joe Biden made similar statements while campaigning in places such as rural southwest Virginia. An Obama adviser, Stanford law professor Larry Lessig, said on Hugh Hewitt's national radio show last fall that "I think that he has always been an individual rights person on the Second Amendment." Another adviser, Professor Cass Sunstein at Harvard, told Time Magazine in June: "Obama has always expressed a belief that the Second Amendment guarantees a private right to bear arms." The list goes on. It was a constant theme of the campaign.

Just before the November election, the Los Angeles Times questioned the honesty of those who questioned Obama’s stand on guns, because "Obama does not oppose gun rights. He has made a point of pounding this home to rural audiences, telling them he has no intention of taking their guns away: not their shotguns, not their handguns, not anything."

What a bunch of happy horse apples.

From Obama's transition site, change.gov (Search for "assault or "gun")

Address Gun Violence in Cities: Obama and Biden would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment, which restricts the ability of local law enforcement to access important gun trace information, and give police officers across the nation the tools they need to solve gun crimes and fight the illegal arms trade. Obama and Biden also favor commonsense measures that respect the Second Amendment rights of gun owners, while keeping guns away from children and from criminals. They support closing the gun show loophole and making guns in this country childproof. They also support making the expired federal Assault Weapons Ban permanent.

35 posted on 01/12/2009 11:48:33 PM PST by El Gato ("The Second Amendment is the RESET button of the United States Constitution." -- Doug McKay)
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To: Myrddin

$20 entrance fee!!!!


36 posted on 01/13/2009 4:55:53 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: conservativesister

Last time I bought a rifle (yeah, the one that I sold to someone a couple of days later, wink)

I had to wait for about 20 minutes for a response from the National “Instant” Check System that said that I was “authorized” to purchase a firearm.

The article states that during the Clinton years, this system was “down” for extended periods. Dealers cannot sell you a firearm without an “OK” response from NICS - effectively, licensed dealers are shut down if the system is “out” for some reason.


37 posted on 01/13/2009 5:19:09 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: Red in Blue PA
and that he wouldn’t do anything to take away people’s guns

Geez, can't people parse a phrase any more? 0bama won't lift a finger to take away people's guns, he'll just lift a few fingers to sign some laws, and then have tens of thousands of federal LEOs do it on that behalf. He won't take away so much as one person's gun himself.

38 posted on 01/13/2009 6:25:59 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Yes, there’s a group called The Pink Pistols which is explicitly that. Incidentally, they were interviewed by the NRA for one of the NRA’s magazines. They said they took a lot more heat from liberals for advocating gun ownership than from conservatives for being gay. Which shows the lie about conservatives being hateful bigots and liberals being tolerant and accepting and tolerating other ways of life and points of view. (In case there was any doubt.)


39 posted on 01/13/2009 6:30:03 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ChoobacKY

I agree, gun shows have become showcases for cheap ninja cr@p and airsoft replicas. As for the actual guns on display, I greet them like old friends, with the sky high asking prices and the resentment at any attempt to dicker.

As for ammo, since it’s not yet Obamacized and can be ordered direct, I ply the internet. Most dealers also think their stock ammo is loaded with bullets of silver and gold. But online, there is at least some competition.


40 posted on 01/13/2009 10:12:10 AM PST by elcid1970 ("O Muslim! My cartridges are lubricated with pig grease!")
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