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The Cars Were Never Better — But It Probably Doesn’t Matter
NMA ^ | 12/24/08 | Eric Peters

Posted on 12/24/2008 7:19:49 AM PST by XR7

The collapse of the U.S. auto industry would be easier to take if the cars were junk.

That’s how it was the last time one of the Big Three (Chrysler) went belly up back in 1979. If you’re old enough to remember the Cordoba, you know what I’m talking about. It was easy to comprehend the failure of late ’70s-era Chrysler because Chrysler’s cars of that period were junk. People tend not to buy junk — end of story. Simple relationship. Cause and effect.

But today?

Never have the products of the Big Three — especially GM and Ford — been as good as they are right now. The incidence of problems, recalls, etc. is actually lower for some American-brand cars than for Toyota and Honda. By any objective measure, parity, at the very least, has been achieved. The cars are damn good. But they’re not selling.

How do you fix a problem like that?

The cruel answer is, it’s not up to GM or Ford anymore. They have done almost everything they can, on the product side. What’s coming home to roost is a deadly trifecta of lingering buyer suspicion of American-brand cars combined with soaring gas prices and an economy in free fall.

You can fault the American car companies for the first item — the unpleasant legacy of Pintos past, so to speak — but the other two are completely beyond their control.

Some fault GM, Ford and Chrysler for building too many big trucks and SUVs. But that is what the market wanted — until quite recently. The car industry does not turn on a dime. It is not like making a candy bar or a plastic bucket. Millions of dollars and several years (24-36 months is typical) are needed to design a brand-new, wheels-up new car model and bring it from design sketch to production. The surge in gas prices came upon us — and the auto industry — suddenly.

Those who fault GM, Ford and Chrysler for not anticipating the uptick forget that every single major Japanese automaker was feverishly working on gigantosaurs of their own circa 2000-2004 — from the aptly named Nissan Titan to the monstrous Toyota Tundra. But they got to the party late — and their exposure was minimal as the feces began to hit the fan. It was relatively painless to throttle back (Nissan and Toyota may actually cancel their big trucks) and re-focus on what they have historically always done best — passenger cars.

But the backdrop issue is the collapse of the consumerist economy. What’s forgotten amid all the hair-pulling and gnashing of teeth is the simple fact that people, in the main, were only able to “buy” cars — irrespective of who made them, whether Americans or Japanese or Germans — by signing up for a big fat loan on the easy monthly payment plan.

Often, few, if any, questions were asked.

Credit and loans made it possible for even average middle income people to drive home in $45,000 vehicles (SUVs and cars). Now that credit has dried up, the party’s over. No one’s buying anything — because no one can afford to buy a damn thing. Gas mileage is a bogey. The truth is most of today’s middle-large sedans don’t deliver much better fuel economy than trucks and SUVs. About 5-8 mpgs or so better. Big whoop. If the car in question has a V-8, there is virtually no difference. Minivans are obnoxious pigs — with typical city mileage in the mid-high teens, as bad or worse than a new Escalade.

No, the problem is we’re tapped out. We can’t afford gas because we can’t afford anything. That includes cars.

Which is why the cars aren’t selling. Which is why the $25 billion bailout won’t do much except temporarily preserve the jobs of those unlucky souls working directly or indirectly for the industry.

Until the broad masses are once again in a position to buy expensive consumer goods such as automobiles, no amount of bailout boodle is going to solve the problem. Trillions in hopelessly unrecoverable debt is going to have to pass through the economy’s colon first. Then, incomes — and income stability — will have to rise, so that people not only have disposable income once more but feel reasonably secure in their jobs so that they’re willing to sign up for a big hunk of debt.

Do any of you see this happening in the near-term future? Me either.

So, we’re left with the cruel irony of an industry that has never built better products that is on life support — and not likely to recover.

Because for it to recover, we’ve got to recover first.

And no one’s offering us a bailout.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aflcio; automakers; bailout; bigthree; bushbailout; chrysler; cordoba; corinthian; credit; dascapital; debt; ford; gm; grandtheftauto; marx; meltdown; montalban; sellout; socialism; supplyside; taxation; taxes; uaw; unions; volare; wallstreet
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To: Leo Farnsworth

Yes, the article notes:
“The incidence of problems, recalls, etc. is actually lower for some American-brand cars than for Toyota and Honda.”
But that’s comparing certain Big Three vehicle models against the corporate average for Toyota or Honda (Nissan is, sad to say as someone who likes Nissan, not so good). However, I think we can fairly compare Cadillac or Lincoln to Lexus or Acura - A Cadillac is just a Chevy, really, but by the same token a Lexus is really just a Toyota - and they come out pretty well there.

I personally generally prefer the interior fit and finish, and driving characteristics, of Japanese cars, but I think it’s fair to say that at least some vehicle models from the big 3 are as good as, or even better than, their Japanese competition. And some of the models produced by the much-respected Toyota and Honda are pretty miserable. I must admit that I really didn’t give the domestics fair consideration the last time I was car shopping. I mean sure, they built a lot of crap for years, but not so many years ago Hyundais were a joke, and today they build a pretty decent car.


101 posted on 12/24/2008 1:32:44 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: XR7
Ha ha! Yes I did buy one! Very classy car, dark green with a white vinyl top. The stupid thing cut off every time I slowed down, like to turn in a parking lot or at a red light. And the day before cell phones, I got by little baby and walked somewhere to make a phone call.

I don't even remember what we did with that car but it was awful. Blowing it up would have been a good thing.

102 posted on 12/24/2008 1:46:00 PM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: NY.SS-Bar9

“Design and “feel” drive the emotional part of the purchase decision and domestics are seriously outclassed.”

I would tend to agree, as far as interior design, materials, and fit and finish are concerned, but IMO the big 3 have some models with much more interesting exterior styling. Chrysler may actually be the leader in that area, but they have some of the weakest interiors.


103 posted on 12/24/2008 1:47:44 PM PST by -YYZ- (Strong like bull, smart like ox.)
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To: Paul Ross

You do know that the 300’s and the Pacifica (and the Crossfire) are built by M.B. ?


104 posted on 12/24/2008 2:11:12 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: Lancey Howard

Volare! Oh! Oh!


105 posted on 12/24/2008 3:16:16 PM PST by reg45
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To: reg45

VOOOOOOOOLARE...........

106 posted on 12/24/2008 3:22:50 PM PST by dfwgator (I hate Illinois Marxists)
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To: reg45

Come see,
Volare today,
Ride small,
the comfortable way.

Vo-la-re
Whoa, whoa

Vo-la-re
Whoa whoa whoa.


107 posted on 12/24/2008 8:53:35 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: ROLF of the HILL COUNTRY
IMO, much of the poor quality in vehicles in those days was due to the manufacturers experimenting with new materials to keep weight down to meet Government MPG standards; using new, unproven production processes to keep costs down due to increasingly outrageous union labor costs; and the general indifference to quality by that union workforce.

You nailed it!

108 posted on 12/24/2008 11:20:27 PM PST by XR7
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To: UCANSEE2
You do know that the 300’s and the Pacifica (and the Crossfire) are built by M.B. ?

No, only the Crossfire...which was designed by Chrysler.

109 posted on 12/26/2008 9:43:24 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: UCANSEE2
As noted by one of the major trade mags online...

... the Chrysler Pacifica was developed in 30 months at a cost below $1 billion. Production began in early 2003 at the Windsor, Ontario Assembly Plant. While it is built in the same plant as Chrysler and Dodge minivans, there are several differences aside from sheet metal to accommodate a different engine, the fold-flat seats, and the additional options.

110 posted on 12/26/2008 10:06:42 AM PST by Paul Ross (Ronald Reagan-1987:"We are always willing to be trade partners but never trade patsies.")
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To: WayneS

One big problem is with cars being so well made, we don’t need to keep buying new ones.


111 posted on 12/26/2008 10:09:47 AM PST by zeebee
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To: Paul Ross

Thanks for providing a correction to my comment.


112 posted on 12/28/2008 1:29:16 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: XR7

“de plane boss, de plane!”

Q: What type of M&M’s did Tattoo eat?

A: de Plain, de Plain.


113 posted on 12/28/2008 1:39:18 PM PST by citizen (Fascism: All persons, capital & activities exist to support the will & best interests of the State.)
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