Please stop the insanity... Barry O is an American citizen, born in America to an American mother.
His birth was announced and published a day or two after the fact in a Hawaiian paper, as is usually the case after a birth. Do you really think that his parents had him in Africa and then had the fore site to know that he would some day run for President, so they had an announcement of his birth published in an Hawaiian newspaper, to make it look like he was born there?
The guy is not going to be disqualified by birth, no matter how much you huff or puff about it. BTW - What are you puffing? Hawaiian Gold?
We all dislike Barry O and we all know he’s going to make a terrible President, but he will never, I repeat NEVER be removed from office because he isn’t an American citizen.
It ain’t going to happen. Not today, not tomorrow, not ever.
The announcements came from the state Health Statistics folks. Thus when the application for the Certificate of Birth, whichever form of birth record that is on file even now, the details would have been forwarded to the papers.
Too bad their practice didn't include the name of the hospital, as many do.
In the event that he was not born in Hawaii, they would not have been thinking about future eligibility for President, just citizenship, when whoever filed those papers (Mom or Grandma most likely) did so.
Personally, it is not that I expect Obama’s election to be nullified as much as I would like to know a little bit more about this man’s history.
It is actually very shocking how little we know about him. Release of his birth records would be a positive step towards getting some of the other important documentation released about our future president...
When people act in private and behind closed doors, there is much more tendency to deceive or cover-up. If Obama believes himself to be above the law (and in this case it may be working), it could be very destructive to the proper order of our country.
I believe that trasparency and forthrightness is always needed for those in power - especially for what might be considered the most powerful position in all the world...
“His birth was announced and published a day or two after the fact in a Hawaiian paper, as is usually the case after a birth. Do you really think that his parents had him in Africa and then had the fore site to know that he would some day run for President, so they had an announcement of his birth published in an Hawaiian newspaper, to make it look like he was born there?”
I live in Kansas. If my wife and I were on vacation in Florida, and she gave birth, I’d put a birth anouncement in the Kansas paper (certainly not Florida)...so I don’t think the announcement proves anything.
I happen to agree with you, though. I suspect he was born in Hawaii; but, there is something on the document that he doesn’t want people to see. My suspicions: his name is either Barack Soetoro or Barack Dunham, which is contrary to the name he has used in public, or as an attorney. But, we can’t know anything for sure until he releases the information.
I have a feeling the bailout bill for the auto industry will pass eventually (like the original TARP did). Wouldn’t it be great if a rider were added by a republican, making providing a birth cert a requirement to run for president...it would take 4 years, but we would eventually find the truth.
“His birth was announced and published a day or two after the fact in a Hawaiian paper, as is usually the case after a birth.”
http://wikileaks.org/leak/obama-1961-birth-announcement-from-honolulu-advertiser.pdf
Fourth from the bottom of the page listing births.
Perhaps his mother was so glad to not be in Kenya anymore that she got a notice put in the newspaper to bolster future claims about the boy’s citizenship - OR to help her in a possible future custody battle against Obama’s real father.
The Presidency doesn’t come into it - any claim on American citizenship is worth its weight in gold. Ask the Cubans.
Some FReepers apparently regard a notice in the paper as ironclad proof of birth, so why shouldn’t Mrs Dunham have felt the same?
While the claim of this case was ludicrous we have no evidence that Obama was born in Hawaii. A newspaper announcement is not proof of that and would occur no matter where he was born.
Those hyperventilating about the Court should understand the claim that he was not a natural born American citizen, if born in Hawaii, is absurd on its face. It never had a chance of passing muster to make it to the court. And they are apparently unaware of the constitutional mechanism to handle a case like this. Yet, they claim to revere it. Look and you will see what that mechanism is and stop the hysterical forecasts.
The Justices turned down the “stay” but have retained the “certori”.
It isn’t dead. They’re waiting for the Electoral College to actully elect him.
Senator Barack Obama is not President Elect until after the Electoral College “elects” him. Then Congress must approve the Election. Only one Senator, only one Representative are needed to stop Obama’s election approval.
This may not be the slam dunk for the Obamabots.
I doubt he will be disqualified, but this could be one more thing to tie around the DNC - they obviously know Barry isn't eligible because of the attempted legistlation to change the definition of natural "born" citizen, and could help weakend Obama's socialist agenda. Basically, this story could bring down anyone that tries to hide it.
Please stop the insanity... Barry O is an American citizen, born in America to an American mother.””
If you are so sure of that, how about you find the records at the hospital where NObama was alledgely born?
Neither of the 2 hospitals where NObama claims he was born at has any record of his mommy being there or birthing him there.
Why do YOU think the members of senior NObama’s family stated in Kenya that they witnessed his birth there?
What did they gain by saying that?????
There are far too many records pertaining to NObama which he absolutely refuses to release, and it’s not just his birth certificate...he hasn’t even released his medical records—ala Bill Clinton.
Upholding the Constitution is insanity?
Barry O is an American citizen
Zero admitted he was a British-American citizen; his father was a British subject. Constitution forbids dual-citizenship.
born in America
Born in Mombasa, Kenya per paternal Grandmother, Kenyan Ambassdor, and dozens of other family members
to an American mother.
That in itself is questionable, believe it or not. There are reports that she is alive in NYC.
Obamunism 101: The Stanley Ann and Madelyn Dunham Factor
His birth was announced and published a day or two after the fact in a Hawaiian paper, as is usually the case after a birth.
Anyone can publish a birth announcement in any newsrag.
Do you really think that his parents had him in Africa and then had the fore site to know that he would some day run for President, so they had an announcement of his birth published in an Hawaiian newspaper, to make it look like he was born there?
Do you really believe how obtuse you are in light of the overwhelming facts and extensive discussion posted here on the subject since mid-summer?
The guy is not going to be disqualified by birth, no matter how much you huff or puff about it.
Fine by me. Any law, regulation or decree he signs is automatically void.
BTW - What are you puffing? Hawaiian Gold
As opposed to crack cocaine and meth that you're doing?
Agree with you on your above comment. But that's not the point.
The point is, there is a requirement under our Constitution that a candidate be a natural born citizen.
And iirc, two states (NY and CA?) have laws requiring candidates to provide proof.
Ergo it seems to me (and many others) that the issue of proving eligibility is one that deserves to be adjudicated - in some court, somewhere.
You can't be a cafeteria Constitutionalist.
Either the Constitutional requirement (and state laws that require proving it) must be observed, or the Constitution must be amended. Otherwise Obama, and any other candidate who refuses to provide absolute proof, is allowed to be above the law.
His birth was announced and published a day or two after the fact in a Hawaiian paper, as is usually the case after a birth. Do you really think that his parents had him in Africa and then had the fore site to know that he would some day run for President, so they had an announcement of his birth published in an Hawaiian newspaper, to make it look like he was born there?
First: Obama's parents probably had nothing to do with publication of the announcement. Newspapers did this on their own, by going to public records.
Second: Some researchers on this issue say that Hawaii -at least at the time of Obama's birth- allowed foreign-born children to be given Hawaii birth certificates.
If this is true, then publication of a "birth announcement" in the newspaper is not proof the birth took place in HA.
I'm curious: if the information on the picture that Obama claims to be his COLB matches the information in Hawaii's files, which do you think would be easier for Obama:
And he will take a page from Bloomberg and Mugabe on term limits and will remain in office for ever and ever like any good socialist man of the peeple. This republic is dead, start learning spanish and get used to socialism and one world government and spoon fed government controlled information.
I can see parents of a baby born in another country wanting to have him be a US citizen. Of course they weren't thinking of him being president. They would take adavantage of being in Hawaii to make that hapen.
The Donofrio theory, on which this other suit is also based, always struck me as a non-starter. I think SCOTUS is taking the interpretation “natural born citizen = citizen at birth”.
The issue arises only because of the age of Obama’s mother. Under citizenship law prevailing in 1961, if Obama was born outside the U.S., he would not have been a citizen at birth. Under Hawaiian law in 1961, foreign birth could be registered with a Certificate of Live Birth, of which a genuine Certification of Live Birth is a shortened version.
No, wherever he was born, his parents announced his birth in their local U.S. paper because that’s where the U.S. part of his family lived.
The real question, and the main reason this is still going on, is why Obama hasn’t done the obvious thing to shut all of this down, and asked Hawaii to send a certified legal copy of his Certificate of Live Birth to the PA court where Berg filed suit. There is something he wants to hide in his birth certificate. What? He wasn’t a citizen at birth? His father was really the Communist Frank Marshall Davis? What? The other reason is that Berg claims that Obama’s Kenyan grandmother says he was born in Kenya.