Claims of Obama Proofers Go "Poof"

Provide a cite or retract.

It's a PDF file.

“And if you want to dismiss Wikipedia as a source, fine. But provide a credible alternative that shows they are wrong.”

You might actually try reading the source you posted. It doesn’t say a word about what languages Sarah Obama speaks.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4902476.ece

“Yet Mr Obama is plainly proud of his Kenyan bloodline. Around the walls of her hut, Sarah Obama displays numerous photos of the candidate and his family, and a poster for his first Senatorial campaign on which Mr Obama has written. “Habariuku Mama Sarah”, Swahili for “Hello Granny Sarah”.”

Apparently the then Senator Obama thought his grandmother spoke Swahili. Care to comment?

“On Mr Obama’s long, strange journey towards the presidency, Kogelo is the starting point. “I think he is going to win,” said Granny Sarah in Luo, while her son, Sayid Obama – Barack’s uncle – translated.”

She also knows Luo but needs to have it translated into English. Exactly what the affidavit claims.

Also note the name of the village is Kogelo in the article and the affidavit of Reverend Kweli Shuhubia states the name of the village as Kogello.

If you are getting your information from liberal sources I would suggest you reconsider. They will flat out lie without hesitation.

Your Wikipedia source does not prove what you suggest it does, but I do maintain it is not a particularly good source for controversial issues as anyone can, and anyone does alter it at will.

And if you want to dismiss Wikipedia as a source, fine. But provide a credible alternative that shows they are wrong.

For entertainment, I sometimes read the revisions histories of major political subjects on Wikipedia.

Lawrence Solomon has proven Wikipedia to be a fraud in the political realm beyond the shadow of a doubt.

Anyone who relies on Wikipedia on a controversial current political question is a fool, or worse.

It was issued in 2007, so it wouldn’t look like a BC from the era he was born. From what I can tell, it looks exactly like the computer generated BCs now used by the state of Hawaii. If it is a low quality Photoshop creation then please explain the pictures on fact check.

The images and the photo’s are NOT a birth certificate.

NOT a birth certificate.

They are a summary of what is on the base document which Hawaii calls a ‘birth certificate’. Hawaii actually doesn’t have any document called a ‘birth certificate’. It is just a shorthand way of referring to the base documents.

The base documents can be amended by testimony or other documents from individuals and that information will not be present on the new COLB. The original document could say he was born in Kenya and be amended to say he was in fact born in Hawaii and the COLB would only say he was born in Hawaii.

We need to see the actual birth certificate/base document.

Hawaiian law states that the only case in which a child born in a foreign country can receive a Hawaiian BC, is to be adopted under US Adoption law, by American citizens. Then a Hawaiian BC is issued.

Other than that, Hawaiian BCs are issued only to those who are born in the state of Hawaii.

All we have is a COLB and that is the essence of the problem. Obama’s sister has a COLB and she was born in Indonesia.

We don’t have a ‘birth certificate’ which is what we are asking to be released and it has been made very clear that there are numerous ways in which someone of foreign birth can, or could get in 1961 a base document (AKA birth certificate).

Masayoshi Mitose and Sun Yat-sen are two famous examples who were in fact foreign born individuals who got Hawaiian ‘birth certificates’. I am certain there were others less famous who did the very same thing. So your claim that Hawaiian ‘birth certificates’ are only issued to those who are born in the state of Hawaii is false.

See Post #129

http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/2140596/posts?page=129#129

FROM FREEPER JOE THUNDER:
Hello All:

The Alan Keyes Legal Team will hold a press conference tomorrow Mon. 12-15-08 12:30 PM at the CA State Capitol in Sacramento, CA. Please help spread. Attendence is needed for media coverage. Official Info is as follows:

Location: CA State Capitol - Corner of “L” and 11th Streets, Sacramento, CA 12:30 PM

1. Attend
2. Bring signs with out sticks.
3. Bring your birth certificate and show it to the media.

Official Press Release Follows:
RE: AIP/Electoral College Capitol Press Conference set for Monday
For Immediate Release - Event Notice - Press Conference

Time: Mon 12-15-08, 12:30 PM
Place: California State Capitol, Sacramento California at the Corner of “L” and 11th Streets

Topic: Unlawful Occupation of Presidency and Invalid Electoral College Process

Conference Contact: Tony Andrade, 916-230-2123; Tony95683@netzero.net
Media Contact: Markham Robinson, State Chairman, American Independent Party; Party HQ 707-359-4884 Home: 707-448-7062; Office: 707-451-8985; Temp Cell: 707-761-3009; Fax: 707-222-6040

STATEMENT OF AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY CHAIRMAN
Questions from Press following statement.

The American Independent Party insists that Barack Obama prove that he is a “Natural born” American citizen. There is no personal testimony that Obama was born in Hawaii as there is that he was born in Mombasa District, now part of Kenya. The burden of proof is on Obama.

Hawaii’s unique laws allow for birth certificates to indicate foreign birth. Is that what his indicates? We have not seen it. Instead of spending tens and hundreds of thousands of dollars resisting its production and even defying a court order to do so, why not spend the $12 to produce a copy for us all to examine? Is the answer, just possibly, that Barack Obama is afraid of what it would reveal?

Similar doubts concerning possible Indonesian citizenship exist. These, too, urgently need to be resolved.

What is about to occur in the State Capitol is fatally flawed in three ways:

1. The likely result is that a man whose qualifications to assume the office of the President are quite dubious will receive our California Electoral College vote because of a judicial disinclination to give the People their right to be heard.

2. Electors apparently not individually nominated by Democratic Congressional Candidates as required by the California Election code will vote in the Electoral College.

3. Electors will be constrained to vote as a block rather than individually as is their right and duty according to procedures set down in the Constitution and will thereby deprive California of a legitimate voice in the Electoral College.

On all these grounds and more, I fear greatly for our People. Unlawful occupation of the Office of the President means no new valid legislation. No valid nominations, including to the Supreme Court. No valid Executive Orders. No lawful commands as Commander in Chief.

Such a situation paralyzes legitimate government. The longer the imposture is maintained, the worse it becomes. Reliance upon eventually voided legislation is extremely perilous. Reliance upon the actions of appointees unlawfully occupying offices will prove equally disastrous. But worse is the debilitating distrust of our democratic processes that will ensue. Our democratic system depends upon trust. As Obama swears to preserve, protect and defend the Constitution, if he thereby takes office unlawfully, he is actually attacking it. This puts our entire Constitutional order in peril and may destroy the Republic.

Law Office of Gary G Kreep, Esq., Representing Alan Keyes, Wiley Drake and Markham Robinson
932 D St. Suite 2, Ramona CA 92065
Office: 760-787-9907; Cell: 760-803-4029

Joe Thunder - Founder
www.FreedomMarch.org

Do you think it is possible that the SC Justices will consider joining the cases together and hear them AFTER the Electoral College vote due to the fact that Obama will not actually BE “President-Elect” until AFTER the vote on Monday?
***Yes. The 20th amendment specifically spells out that it’s a president elect that fails to qualify.

I understand that a Judge in the Washington State SC has decided to hear a case. (I hope what I heard is correct.)
Is it possible for the Washington Supreme Court Judge to issue a stay in that state’s Electoral College vote on Monday?
***I doubt it. But a Washington State Judge would probably have the power to direct Washington State Electors to read up on their responsibilities and learn the facts about the eligibility of Obama.

The Electoral College meet at each state capital to cast their votes on Monday. If one or more Electoral College members of a particular state raise the question of constitutional qualifications, does that state Electoral College group have to resolve the issue before casting their votes?
***As a matter of law, probably not. But as a simple matter of obvious constitutionality and the resulting problems, yes.

219 posted on Saturday, December 13, 2008 7:18:36 AM by seekthetruth
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I cannot get the link to work, and I am at work. I have no knowledge of the people that you mentioned but I looked them up quickly masayoshi Mitose was born 12/30/16 in Kailua Kona, Hawaii. I don’t see how his Hawaiian BC is incorrect. Sun Yat-sen was born in China, and I can find that he became a naturalized citizen and was issued an American passport but nothing about a birth certificate from Hawaii.

Maya Soetoro was born in Indonesia, and there is no proof that she ever had or has now a Hawaiian Birth Certificate. The only reason that has ever been repeated is that a fraudulent poster at some Hillary website claimed to have evidence that BOs posted birth certificate was actually created from Maya’s. No one was able to reproduce his results, and he refused to tell what process he used to get them. He disappeared when he was pushed for actual evidence. I believe that it has been alleged that he falsified his expert credentials, by borrowing them from someone else.

I will try the link from home. I can find no provision in Hawaiian law from any time period that states that a foreign born person can be issued a Hawaiian BC (other than in cases of adoption).

This is why this whole BC controversy falls apart for me. Hawaiian law states that a child must be born in Hawaii to receive a Hawaiian birth certificate. Hawaiian officials in the State department of Health have said that they have viewed Obama’s original file, and that it is in order. That is why people keep posting that Hawaiian law allows foreign born babies to be issued Hawaiian papers, but it just isn’t true based upon everything I have seen in the Hawaiian statutes, and in other articles I have read.

The problem I have with the BC issue is Obama’s refusal to produce the long form BC - which would dispel these doubts.
It’s easy to do and quite inexpensive.
Something smells here and I applaud those who are going after this issue.

There’s audio recording of her saying it.

There's audio recording of her allegedly saying that he's a "son of this village," which can be a rather ambiguous statement. The prevailing version of the "born in Kenya" theory has him born in a Mombasa hospital, not in that remote village, so already we're at metaphor. And there are just too many ways to interpret that phrase, just like the "Sons of Italy" aren't actually born there, but are of Italian descent.

And she’s not dead. Obama’s American grandmother is the one who just died.

Where did I say she was dead?

If I may make a suggestion, though, go read the affidavits on Berg's site.

Long form Birth certificates contain medical information, which people might like to keep private. It would list the number of pregnancies, miscarriages, stillbirths etc. The state of Hawaii doesn’t even issue them anymore. Removing private information is part of the reason that the short form was created to begin with.

Even if the long form was issued, I don’t see how the information on it would be helpful. Hospitals can’t verify any of the information. There has been so much misinformation in this case, it is easy to see why so many people have gotten carried away. When you take away all the speculation, there just isn’t any evidence that BO does not qualify for natural born citizenship.

I don’t want him to become president either, but elections have consequences. Dems are the ones that embrace every crazy conspiracy theory out there. Conservatives are usually pragmatic and intelligent, but in this case we are acting just like the Dems would if they had lost the election. I think there must be some people out there having a very good laugh at our expense.

Constitution Party to Barack Obama: Got Birth Certificate?
Independent Political Report | 12/12/08 | CP
Posted on 12/12/2008 4:34:06 PM PST by pissant
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2147918/posts

David Horowitz: Obama Derangement Syndrome
- Conservatives Need to Shut Up About the Birth Cert.
HNN ^ | 12/6/08 | David Horowitz
Posted on 12/06/2008 9:43:49 PM PST by pissant
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2144344/posts