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Here is Gov (commerce secretary elect)Bill Richardson saying in Spanish that Obama is an "immigrant." (So he understands understands "immigrant" issues.)The context suggests that by "immigrant" bill richardson means "illegal immigrant"



Here in plain English is the Kenyan Ambassador saying that Obama is born in Kenya.



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from obama's own site factcheck.org by way of fightthesmears on his dual citizenship at birth

“When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu, Kenya was a British colony, still part of the United Kingdom’s dwindling empire. As a Kenyan native, Barack Obama Sr. was a British subject whose citizenship status was governed by The British Nationality Act of 1948. That same act governed the status of Obama Sr.‘s children.

Since Sen. Obama has neither renounced his U.S. citizenship nor sworn an oath of allegiance to Kenya, his Kenyan citizenship automatically expired on Aug. 4,1982.”

1 posted on 12/08/2008 6:57:45 PM PST by ckilmer
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2 posted on 12/08/2008 7:00:06 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: ckilmer

The case will be rejected without comment. The dual citizenship argument has no merit.


3 posted on 12/08/2008 7:00:10 PM PST by zarodinu
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To: ckilmer

The Supreme Court needs to decide if our nation is worth saving. We can handle riots and some violence. We can not handle loss in faith of the government by those of us who actually produce.


4 posted on 12/08/2008 7:01:01 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Join the Constitution Party)
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To: ckilmer

In the words of those great mid-20th Century social observers, Sonny and Cher, “And the beat goes on ... and the beat goes on.”


6 posted on 12/08/2008 7:06:48 PM PST by RobinOfKingston (Democrats, the party of evil. Republicans, the party of stupid.)
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To: LucyT

ping


9 posted on 12/08/2008 7:12:38 PM PST by stockpirate (Left ignores Constitution except 16th amendment, can we ignore the 16th amendment?)
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To: ckilmer

a man without a country?


23 posted on 12/08/2008 7:31:58 PM PST by television is just wrong
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To: ckilmer

If Thomas brought the first case to conference, and Scalia is bringing this one, does that mean they are both on the right side of this?....it doesn’t seem too ‘kooky’ when you have two of the smartest members of the SCOTUS supporting these cases.

BTW, to some of the others who have responded, I wouldn’t use the term ‘Troll’. I think we will see 4 years of ‘Paid Obama Operatives’ waging psyops on blogs, message boards, and newspaper editorials. He used these methods in the campaign, and he still has 30 million dollars laying around.


31 posted on 12/08/2008 7:49:19 PM PST by lacrew (Yup, they're girded!)
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To: ckilmer

Hmmm... well, maybe the supremes are actually serious enough about this to ensure that the right case sticks.

guess we’ll find out next monday... by then, it will be too late to veer off the EC on the 15th.

I’ve pretty much given up hope now though.


32 posted on 12/08/2008 7:52:45 PM PST by Safrguns
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To: ckilmer

I read the most bizarre post about Obama’s mother.

The CIA has done some pretty bizarre things in it’s history.. even mind control. But Bob Hope as a handler has me laughing. Of course, his buddy Bing Crosby was involved in a porn escapade to take down an Indonesian President. So I suppose anything is possible

http://www.hyperspacecafe.com/view_topic.php?id=5453&forum_id=13&jump_to=38104

“Interesting article here. Speaks to BHO’s mother having so many aliases, mind controlled, it supports your article from Rense. Very interesting info on this family, if true by this author, who seems to have done lots of research:

“By official accounts, Stanley Ann spent much of her adult life in Indonesia. She reportedly worked as a consultant with the UN, banks and the Ford Foundation to arrange bank loans for poor, third world people.

On November 7, 1995, Stanley Ann (Dunham-Obama) Soetoro allegedly died of “ovarian cancer” at age “56.” Her body was cremated; there was no funeral. However, there was a memorial service held in her honor at the University of Hawaii.

BHO, by all accounts, did not attend the service, though he claims to have “helped scatter her ashes over the Pacific Ocean.”

There are a few problems with the story—and with BHO’s account: Stanley Ann did not live to be “57.” She ‘died’ 22 days before her 53rd birthday, so she was only 52 (a small detail, but an important one). An alias for Stanley Ann Dunham was found as a “relative/associate” of Madelyn L. Dunham, Honolulu, HI: “Kelly A. Dunham.”

The Dunhams had only one daughter, Stanley Ann. Therefore, Kelly Ann, who does not seem to have any other history, is likely an alias for Stanley Ann, indicating that she had been doing more than arranging for poor people to become indebted to bankers.

Stanley Ann shows up on Internet databases at various ages, including her current age—65. Incredibly, despite the accounts of her having been with her family while “living in the U.S. and Indonesia,” her name shows up numerous times under her birth name and the following abbreviated list of “aliases:”
Kelly A. Dunham, associate/relative of Madelyn L. Dunham, Honolulu, HI; Kelly A. Shippleck (Kelly A. Dunham), Phoenix, AZ [is this a third marriage or an alias for real estate/money laundering?]. Sandra Dunham (Sandra Lee Dunham), OH, FL; Susan N. Dunham, HI, CA. Ste (Stephen) Dunham, Honolulu, HI (Stanley Ann chooses another male name?); Stephen O. Dunham, Honolulu, HI (”O,” as in “Obama”); Scott A. Dunham, (Stanley Ann chooses a second male name?), HI, WA, OR, TN, VA, IN.

Each of the aforementioned aliases contains one or more references to the above examples. In cases where the trail seemingly ends, one needs only cross-reference the “relatives/associates” and the trail continues.
Some entries show as many as “99 addresses” in one city and “160 relatives/associates.” These numbers really stand out as almost grotesque when compared to the results of most searches.

The aliases for Stanley Ann Dunham likely number in the hundreds.

Symptomatic of mind control. The above revelations are just the tip of the iceberg. Many of the so-called “relatives/associates” are not Americans, though they also have a multiplicity of addresses throughout the U.S. and are affiliated with foreign intelligence agencies. One of them lists the location of “Old Orchard Beach, ME.” This location is nine miles from the Bush compound at Walker’s Point, Kennebunkport, ME.

Other females who have been part of the intelligence-based mind control programs have lived in the same town, have been assigned male names as aliases and show the same “possible relatives/associates.”
The significance here is that the uncommon number of aliases and addresses associated with Stanley Ann are symptomatic of her being a mind-controlled operative. In short, the names also identify specific associations in a massive real estate/drug money-laundering scheme.

The following database query supports the claim above and what “Brice Taylor” (Susan Ford) wrote in her book, “Thanks for the Memories: The Truth Has Set Me Free!”
The book is a shocking exposé on multi-personality disorders induced by the Henry (Heinz) Kissinger/George H.W. Bush-controlled ritual-abuse/sex-slave intelligence industry. Taylor wrote about her mind-controlled involvement with world leaders, several U.S. presidents and members of the British Crown, actors, actresses, entertainers and Bob Hope, her “handler.” “


35 posted on 12/08/2008 7:56:15 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: ckilmer

Here may be an explanation for all of this. Supposedly a retired intelligence officer from the Reagan era said this:


1. Obama was born in Hawaii but he himself does not know the identity of his biological father.

7. Obama and his inner circle know he lost American citizenship through no fault of his own. They believe there is enough “interpretive wiggle room” to “re-attach eligibility.” They have detailed contingency plans to delay and counter attacks questioning his Constitutional eligibility to run for the Presidency.”

This supposed retired officer is writing a book called

Hyde Park Hustle -How Obama’s doctrine of deceit
fleeced our nation.

Take it with a grain of salt..but it would explain what we are seeing.


44 posted on 12/08/2008 8:15:24 PM PST by RummyChick
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To: ckilmer
"When Barack Obama Jr. was born on Aug. 4,1961, in Honolulu"

.... he was automatically a natural-born citizen of the United States

my new tagline ... Dear Kooks: Obama is a born-in-the-USA natural-born U.S. citizen. Move along.
69 posted on 12/08/2008 9:53:06 PM PST by WOSG (Dear Kooks: Obama is a born-in-the-USA natural-born U.S. citizen. Move along.)
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To: ckilmer; All
Question: What happened to Obama's US citizenship when his Kenyan citizenship expired in 1982?

It seems to me that the issue isn't whether he held dual citizenship at birth, but rather whether he has dual citizenship now. That's the "spirit" of the Constitutional requirement for "natural born citizen", isn't it?

How am I wrong?

Related posts here and here and here and here.

So that we're all on the same page.

187 posted on 12/09/2008 11:17:33 AM PST by FourtySeven (47)
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