'Imperial arrogance' targets gun owners

The Free Lance-Star ^ | December 8, 2008 | Alan Gottlieb and Dave Workman

[steamroller]

I just saw where Obama has been trying to reassure gun owners and asking people not to “stock up”.He’s getting nervous that his anti-gun statements are coming home to haunt him.It’s kind of like the Nazis saying “those are just disinfecting showers”.
I think any gun owner in their right mind will stock up on ammo because that scumbag Ted Kennedy has already started a movement to make ammo prohibitively expensive.Hopefully he won’t be able to carry out his nefarious plan,but rest assured the minor demons like Schumer,Feinstein,Boxer,and Lautenberg will be busy at work on that.Obama would sign an anti-ammo bill in a New York minute.He hasn’t changed his spots.Holde has to be stopped at the confirmation hearings.I know even some liberal Democrats who are disturbed by his selection.Nobody but the Clintons and their minions think there was any justification to pardon Marc Rich or the FALN.

[Thunder90]

I don’t think that Obama would use the US military or current police structures . I think that Obama will create a new agency with people loyal only to him to take part in the gun confiscations. If he uses the US military or current police structures, he risks mass desertions and/or a coup attempt.

[Thunder90]

So true. Don't forget too that 90% of the military come from the very people they would be asked to put down. Desertion would be a major problem as would outright refusal to engage.

Again, all hypothetical but a good reasoning exercise

We cannot also rule out a military coup in this instance, as..

1. The US Military swears to uphold the US Constitution against all threats, Foreign and Domestic. This overrules the President as COC.

2. The Government in this case would have blatantly violated the US Constitution (Art 1, 2; Amendment 1, 2, 4, 5, 9, 14,)

3. Most of the US Military would have dismissed as many of them and their families own personal firearms and/or will be deemed too conservative.

Revolution and coups should only be attempted after every other social and political avenue has been exhausted except under very extreme circumstances. A civil war/coup attempt also opens us up to external attack from the Former Soviet Union, China, rouge states, and terrorist groups, who will see this as a major sign of weakness. Finally, there will be massive rioting and criminal activity within cities and certain states that will have to be dealt with.

[djsherin]

***This brings us around to Mayor Greg Nickels of Seattle. He has promised to ban even legally-carried guns from city—make that public—property, by executive order. Nearly 250,000 Washington State residents are licensed to carry concealed handguns, and it is also legal in the Evergreen State to carry handguns openly, without a license....Nickels was advised by the state attorney general that he lacks the authority under Washington’s model pre-emption law to enact a gun ban, but he has vowed to do it anyway.***

Psh, a REAL politician doesn’t let the law stop his ambitions.

[chainsaw]

TV propaganda saying, “Joe Republican wants to put AK-47s back in the hands of gang members and flood the streets of your city with machine guns for drug dealers.”

We both know this is poppy cock.

[Gondring]

Nickels was advised by the state attorney general that he lacks the authority under Washington's model pre-emption law to enact a gun ban, but he has vowed to do it anyway.

Has he really just declared himself to be an enemy of the Consitution?

[Blue Jays]

It doesn't seem likely that American soldiers would be willing to engage in warfare with fellow countrymen in the event of a confiscation scenario.
Especially when they could avoid violence simply by facilitating law-abiding & peaceful folks to remain law-abiding & peaceful as they've been their whole lives. No muss, no fuss.

[Elsie]

Of course we’d have quite a bit of notice of such a thing, the debates would be furious within the Congress, and state by state as well. I don’t see how you get around the existing laws barring the military from being used in such a manner.

Oh??

[Elsie]

I think HOPE! you’d see a rebellion....within the ranks of the military, long before that ever came to pass.

[Elsie]

No one was fired upon at Kent State. That was outright murder .

There were no more campus uprising AFTER Kent State.

[Renegade]

Still, no one fired on the National Guard in the Kent State situation .The possible chaos we are describing is not about COLLEGE kids protesting the government takeover of weapons from law abiding citizens . It is the uprising of the armed citizens ( including retired and active military )who will defend to the death the Second Amendment of the Constitution if an attempt is made to seize the weapons of law abiding citizens . 99% of college kids don’t own a firearm . They are too busy enjoying sex, drugs and rock & roll with a little studying in between to be concerned about a matter such as this.
The atmosphere at gun shows I’ve attended over the last six months supports this festering sentiment throughout the country.
It will only take a spark to ignite the powder keg .

[Renegade]

The President’s Commission on Campus Unrest avoided probing the question regarding why the shootings happened. Instead, it harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but it concluded that “the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable.”

[Rocketwolf68]

“Against equipment like armored vehicles, artillery, attack helicopters, close air support, bomber squadrons and predator drones, a domestic insurgency here in the States will be ruthlessly, decisively, and promptly crushed.”

I wouldn’t count on that. When the military is forced to attack the citizens of it’s own country and choose sides between a marxist giving orders and their own family, it will get ugly inside the military and at the capital. Look for a violent overthrow of the boobs at the top first.

[Elsie]

Yes, I just read that.

However, since the troops HAD endured days of rock throwings, fires and various other things that MIGHT have caused firing in those situtations, one has to wonder just why shots were fired at the time they were, and, the targets being so far away from the shooters.

[Badeye]

“Five percent of the American population are veterans”

Is that all?

Yep, give or take a half point. Surprised me as well, and it really is stunning when you realize how many of them are WWII and Korean War vets, dying off literally by the thousands due to the passage of time.

Bottom line is the percentage will continue to drop, rather dramatically, over the next 15 years.

[Badeye]

Oh.

(chuckle)

You can’t get around it without a large, televised debate. Not to mention sites like this one would go into full blown ‘charge’ mode.

[Badeye]

I have more faith in my fellow vets than you, perhaps?

[Osage Orange]

What about the butts at the bottom?

[elcid1970]

Yeah, I know it’s inevitable, but it’s sad that so many vets are dying off so fast. But that’s a result of the size of the war they fought in.

Must have seemed the same in the 1920’s when Civil War vets began to succumb in large numbers due to old age.

Somebody once said, “Every time an old person dies, it is like a museum has burned to the ground.”

[Badeye]

Time marches on.