Beware Birth Certificate Hopefuls - You are in for quite a suprise (vanity)

[Scythian]

This birth certificate issue has been going on for some time now and for those hoping for some kind of dramatic outcome you are in for another big disappointment.

First, there is always the chance that there is a valid birth certificate proving Obama to be a US citizen.

Second, enough time has passed such that the Obama cult has manufactured and installed a phony certificate that will re-route us back up to option 1 above, he will have a valid certificate. Who do you think works in these kinds of government offices? They're all democrats.

Third, no court is going to force Obama to prove himself to be a citizen, the burden is on those making the accusation that he is not a citizen. A criminal doesn't have to prove he didn't commit a crime, the state has to prove that he did.

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Flame on, and sorry for the Vanity, but this is driving me nutz, this issue gets my hopes up but then common sense dashes my hope on the rocks, and this now is a daily occurrence. You are going to find a valid certificate at the end of this road if you are lucky enough to get a judge to demand it, and that is very unlikely, whether the certificate be real or phony it won't matter, and will never be able to proven either way.

[IrishPennant]

“African is not a race, so this certification proves is fake.

If mother race is caucasian, the father race should be negroide.”
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Corazon,

I fully agree...you are preaching to the choir as there are few on this board who are more passionate then I about this whole thing being a sham!!!

I just posted the image at the request of another FReeper in this thread. Glad to see you are up to date as well.

[melancholy]

Better that the Constitution be perverted then have an insurrection by the Left, will be their (SCOTUS) thinking. Parenthesis are mine.

This is how Communism takes hold in a bloodless coup. Little lefty violations are not worth violence. More and larger lefty violations are not worth a civil war. Results: a de facto communist rule including "preventing potential violence" by disarming the population. Huh? What Second Amendment? The constitution is a living document, blah..blah..blah..

In fact, the feared lefty insurrection could be a blessing forcing Americans to resolve this shiite, once and for all.

[mnehring]

How is that when this is not a criminal matter?

In a way, our accusations in this is making it a criminal matter. We are accusing him of forging the State document, COLB. If he forged it, it is a criminal matter. If he didn't forge it and it is real, then it is a State certified document of his birth in Hawaii, rendering the accusation null. It pretty much all hangs on if there was a criminal forging of the COLB.

[Kevmo]

Good one.

It makes me feel funny and sad at the same time. Usually that means I’m dealing with a fool (not you, whoever you posted it to). I suppose it is foolish to treat the constitution like toilet paper, but only if it really was worth more than toilet paper.

[Helen]

After 9 years of citizenship, a person can become a United States Senator; after 7 years of citizenship, a person can become a United States Representative. However to be President, you must be a natural born citizen (born of two American citizens on American soil).

[rintense]

Fourth: He was born of a jackal so there is no birth certificate.

[Kevmo]

Single American mother’s can give birth anywhere in the world at anytime and the child is a natural born citizen.
***I don’t think that’s true, based upon all the dialog we’ve been seeing on the CertifiGate threads.

[savedbygrace]

In that case, I apologize for jumping the gun on ya.

[ANGGAPO]

That isn't funny at all, a few of us invested a few, or more, years and some blood protecting it. And we still do.

[mnehring]

born of two American citizens on American soil

What law defines 'natural born citizen' as that?

[Cletus.D.Yokel]

“he makes a few calls to State offices”

That would necessarily entail an outbreak of “obama-cide” in Honolulu.

[Helen]

The Constitution.

[Kevmo]

If he pulls out a valid BC that survives comparison with the governor’s copy,
***What if the copy the governor is holding is the one that was put in there a few months ago when zer0bama took a week off to go to Hawaii during the middle of the campaign?

[mnehring]

Here is the law that folks have been questioning. (as you can see, there are a lot of 'if's'...

http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode08/usc_sec_08_00001401----000-.html

The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 288 of title 22 by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person

(A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or

(B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 288 of title 22, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

[IrishPennant]

In that case, I apologize for jumping the gun on ya.

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Think nothing of it - I may need all the guns I can get :)

[mnehring]

The Constitution just, says ‘natural born citizen’ it does not define what a natural born citizen is. Article 1, section 8 leaves Congress to decide what that definition is. See post just above this for the current law as what is defined as a ‘natural born citizen’.

[Deaf Smith]

I didn't read anyone suspect what I do...that the Gov of Hawaii, since she had her hands on the state's *document* that she may have marked it in some manner to be sure that it will stay as the original.

Another reason she didn't need to go to the Gov's meeting on the mainland.

[Kevmo]

If he can produce it, and it’s legitimate of course there is the question of why he didn’t bother forking over the $10 to get it instead of spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to defend something that for a normal person would be a null issue. Judgment issues that will come back to haunt him later, and I hope SCOTUS dresses him down for that poor judgment call.
***I agree. If ever the SCOTUS had the call to step in and show their mettle, this is it. A perfect forgery at this point in time is going to have to include something embarrassing or this whole episode won’t make sense. Even then, if there really were embarrassing (but not disqualifying) details, his judgement is called into question yet again for not releasing the info once he won the vote.

[RetroSexual]

My feelings on your points:

1) I think that there probably is a valid birth certificate. The abbreviated certificate he has produced, however, is lacking in a lot of interesting details. Why does he not produce the "long form" certificate? I think there's something there that he wants to hide. It may not disprove citizenship, but I'll bet it's somehow damning.

2) Yeah, there are O-Holes in every government office, but they're much more likely to deal with the pressure by ignoring or obscuring the accusations. I doubt they can forge a credible document. Although given Obama's budget, I'd say this is your strongest point.

3) The matter WILL go to court. Here's the scenario as I see it: The Supremes fail to grant cert on Friday, and Obama is sworn in on January 20th. Then he begins to sign in laws and to make executive orders. Very quickly, someone will challenge his authority to sign those documents, and a court case will be mounted. The entire administration will be de-legitimized until Obama can prove that he meets the constitutional requirements to hold the Office of the Presidency, and the case will be fast-tracked to the Supreme Court. Talk about a constitutional crisis!

But then we'll find out what's so interesting about that birth certificate (assuming that it exists at all).

[Kevmo]

That appears to be Donofrio’s argument and it’s worthwhile for the Supreme Court to take it on.