Taj hotel cleared of militants [terrorists] - Mumbai Terror Attack Appears Over After Three Days

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[HollyB]

I am very outraged by Islamic extremism and am aware of some Koran versus in which Christians and Jews are considered infidels. I am far from naive on this subject. However, on a day-to-day basis, the muslims I have met are not violent people, period. There is a world-wide problem with Islamic extremism. The movement calls for terrorism which has dominated western security concerns. However, I have no reason to walk into a mosque and slander their religion.

When I have a conversation with the muslims I know, as I would with any other perosn, I do not find them threatening. And some are very aware of my strong Christian faith.

Yes, there are Muslims in this world whose goals are to cause destruction to western culture and people. But, not all of them are this way. And generalizing is not fair to those peaceful people.

I agree though that I wish CAIR and Muslim dominated countries would stand up and denounce these actions on a regular basis.

That’s my position.

[indcons]

BTTT

[se_ohio_young_conservative]

Those guys can fry in hell.

I think about what President Bush said on 9/11. “Today our nation saw evil”...

well, the whole world saw evil again. Appeasement will lead to more of the same.

[RoadDogg]

Good. Now its time to warm up the B-52s and turn Western Pakistan into glass....

[82ndABNOfficer]

You know what I find odd? I was doing some research today, and I stumbled across an old article about the French GiGN counter terrorist unit that stormed a hijacked Air France plane back in December of 1994. What stood out in my mind was that the terrorist had a plan to slam the airplane into the Eiffel tower and kill as many western tourist as possible. You would think our intelligence services and agencies would have gotten the clue then? We are so slow to react to our enemies changing tactics, techniques, and procedures. It will be a while until America realizes again, just how easy it is for a few terrorist to cause mayhem and massacre in any major western city. Our own demise is that our people really don’t care unless they are looking good, and getting the best deals at the mall. It’s only a matter of time until Mumbai happens in our own country. Any potential terrorist could sneak into our ports, or across our borders with a few lousy AK’s and home made bombs and cause a real mess. President Bush has done a good job at taking the fight to the enemy, but I don’t think it has been enough.

[thesetruths]

It was my understanding that, under Saddam Hussein, Iraq had become predominantly secular. I believe our presence there is intended to stabilize the area and eradicate the terrorist base that was operating there.

[KeyLargo]

Indian forces kill last gunmen in Mumbai; 195 dead

By JENNY BARCHFIELD and RAMOLA TALWAR BADAM – 1 day ago

MUMBAI, India (AP) — A 60-hour terror rampage that killed at least 195 people across India’s financial capital ended Saturday when commandos killed the last three gunmen inside a luxury hotel while it was engulfed in flames.

Authorities searched for any remaining captives hiding in their rooms and began to shift their focus to who was behind the attacks, which killed 18 foreigners including six Americans.

[Cronos]

The ones you know are "bad" Mooselimbs. The "good" ones are these who are carrying out the edicts of the propht. I only ask you to read the Koran and deny that it does not tell it's followers that they MUSTkill Infedels.

There are radical elements to ideologies, yes, however, these and the Talibs, Hezbollah, Hamas, AlQ,Musslim brotherhood, etc. are not radicals but the mainstream, followers of the propht. Don't believe me? Read their holy book. Whereas ours says love one and other, and that of the Buddhists says follow the middle path of moderation and that of the Zoroastrians says good thoughts, words and deeds, the holey book of the M's says to heck with infdels

[Cronos]

AlQ must have been involved — why else were Jews targetted. The Jews that are native to India have been there for millenia and lived quite peacefully with all others including uslim rulers

[Cronos]

What is your definition of extremism? Those that follow the dodgy portions of their religion / ideology? Well, to the M’s, this is NOT a dodgy portion — the Kran says clearly “Killinfdels” — how can you mistake that? If you don’t follow that, then you are a bad M. There’s no extremism involved.

[Cronos]

From what I understand, Islam is actually based off Christianity. They view Muhammad as the last of a long line of prophets, including Jesus. As the New Testament is a correction of the Old Testament, the Koran is a correction of the New Testament.

Not correct. Islam is not purely based on Christianity. It is more correctly an esoteric mix of pre-Islamic arab beliefs, Arianism and Judaism.

The way it started is thus -- in the 7th century, Arabia south of the Roman and Persian Empires was a trading spot between the Romans, Persians and the Ethiopian (Axumite) Christian Empire which controlled what is now Yemen (what was then Sabea/Sheba).

Anyway, so the Arabs were a disunited lot so Mo decided the best way to unite them was to create a unifying religion. He looked around and found that the Jews in Mecca were united and retained their culture despite having lost their homeland 6 centuries earlier. He reckoned that a monotheistic religion was the best option and also that Judaism fit the key. So he took elements out of Judaism but changed one key thing -- when Abraham was supposed to have attempted to sacrificed Isaac, he made it that Abraham was about to sacrifice Ishmael (since the OT says that Ishmael is the ancestor of the Arabs) -- this way he created the idea of Arabs and united them in the idea that they were the chosen people. Next, he took other elements like Jacob's journey to heaven and portrayed them as his own.

He was also not very well read so he took distored versions of the NT and the Torah -- example, revelations says something about a lady giving birth in the desert under a palm tree. Well Mo made it so that this was how Christ was born.

However Mo suffered from fits and seizures and may have been epileptic. During one of these he said that the angel (injil) Gabriel met him and dictated to him the Sunnah (Koraan). however, at one point in the K, it says that you should respect Allat, Uzzat and Amat, the daughtersofAllah (since A, was Sin, the moon god). These were then passed off as Satanic verses which Shaitan whispered to Mo.

Many inconsistencies.

Thoughout history, Islam has sided with Jews, sided with Christians in conflict. At the pinnacle of power, Islamic leaders were considered enlightened inviting Christian and Jewish scholars to debate their points of view.

When has Islam sided with Christians in conflict??????? One instance????

The ones you say were "enlightened" were folks like Akbar who wanted to set up his own religion.

They viewed Christians and Jews “people of the book.” Although Christians and Jews may have strayed, they are still considered brothers in faith.

They also added the Zoroastrians when they conquered Iran. However, these "people of the book" still have to pay jaziya (tax) for being a non-Mus in a Mus land. They are also second-class citizens and may not build new places of worship and may only maintain their existing places of worship after consultation with the Islamicc leaders. That's like livign like a black in Apartheid era South Africa


Your post about Reformation is also incorrect. Reformation in Europe was fundamentalism -- leading to excesses like the Puritans etc. burning down churches and forcing people to follow their own rules which led to chaos. It was not liberalism. These wahabbis in Saud ARE the reformers who want to return 'purity' toIslam. Is THAT what you want?

[Cronos]

Just read the Koran once.

[HollyB]

Then, they are ‘bad’ muslims. And as I indicated before, they should not all be lumped together.

I am quite familiar and have read for myself - the verses which refer to killing infidels.

I am assuming that the Muslims I know are ‘lukewarm’, maybe practicing the faith, but not zealously. Seems many people are just doing the outward basics (going to church, etc), but the heart may not be there all the way. But, again, as I indicated, the Muslims I know are peaceful, whether they are ‘bad’ muslim or not.

It’s ridiculous that so many people are trying to persuade me that they are mean, murderous people. People can have personalities outside of their religion. So, if calling them a ‘bad’ muslim works, then so be it.

[Cronos]

Good point — FB, the NT is NOT a “correction” of the OT, in no way does it negate anything or “correct” anything from the OT. the NT is the fulfilment of the OT’s promises

[Cronos]

flipped out when you put a “God Bless America” sign? Why? What reasons did he give?

[Cronos]

The movement calls for terrorism which has dominated western security concerns. However, I have no reason to walk into a mosque and slander their religion

The "movement" is the "religion" ofIslam as a whole. Just ask your co-workers why Christians are not allowed to:

1. build churches in Saudi Arabia
2. cannot wear a cruifix there
3. cannot bring in a Bible there (bibles are illegal
4. cannot even step into Mecca or Medina (Muslim-only cities)
5. Why are converts from Islam legally given death sentences in Saudia Arabia, Pakistan, iran, Malaysia, Algeria, Bangladesh, etc. etc

It is not a peaceful philosophy by any means. Have you even read the Koran in entirety?

[Cronos]

Yes, there are Muslims in this world whose goals are to cause destruction to western culture and people. But, not all of them are this way. And generalizing is not fair to those peaceful people.

Yes, very peaceful people. They have brought peace to Nigeria, Kashmir, Chechnya, Beslan, East Timor, Molouccas, Southern Thailand, Israel, Ethiopia etc.

[Cronos]

you’re right — under Saddy, Iraq was secular. There were no AlQ terrorists there as AlQ hated the secular dictatorship of the Baathists

[Cronos]

Then, they are ‘bad’ muslims. And as I indicated before, they should not all be lumped together.

I am quite familiar and have read for myself - the verses which refer to killing infidels.

This is not like skipping mass one Sunday. They are betraying a basic tenet of their faith. They are not Muslims then.

[Cronos]

I’m not telling you that the “people” are bad, all I’m saying is that the “philosophy” is evil. Hate the sin, not the sinners.