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Democrats' Stimulus Plan May Reach $700 Billion
Washington Post ^ | Monday, November 24, 2008 | Lori Montgomery

Posted on 11/23/2008 10:42:40 PM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach

Facing an increasingly ominous economic outlook, President-elect Barack Obama and other Democrats are rapidly ratcheting up plans for a massive fiscal stimulus program that could total as much as $700 billion over the next two years.

That amount, more than the nation has spent over the past six years in Iraq, would rival the sum Congress committed last month to rescuing the country's financial system. It would also be one of the biggest public spending programs aimed at jolting the economy since President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal.

Hints of a hefty new spending program began emerging last week. New Jersey Gov. Jon Corzine (D), an Obama adviser, and Harvard economist Lawrence H. Summers, whom Obama has chosen to lead his White House economic team, both raised the possibility of $700 billion in new spending. Yesterday, Obama adviser and former Clinton administration Labor secretary Robert Reich and Sen. Charles E. Schumer (D-N.Y.) also called for spending in the range of $500 billion to $700 billion.

Transition officials would not confirm that they are considering spending of that magnitude, but they made clear that economic conditions are dire, and suggested that Obama might be forced to delay his pledge to repeal President Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy.

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To: Deo volente

“Cut capital gains taxes to zero, slash corporate income taxes, cut personal income taxes across the board, drastically cut entitlement spending, and take a chain saw to the federal budget.

Voila! Businesses recover, stock market soars, consumers hit the malls again, taxpayers get much needed relief, and the economy emerges from recession.

Of course, it’s a fantasy, and nothing more.”

Why do we know that is the right thing to do, but Republican leaders such as McCain will not design and run on a platform including those reforms?


21 posted on 11/23/2008 11:32:42 PM PST by RebelViking
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To: Uncle Miltie

Bump!


22 posted on 11/23/2008 11:38:19 PM PST by dr_who
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To: napscoordinator
“I guess sometimes I wish I was one of many Americans were are ignorant of everything and think everything is hunky doory.”

I posted the same thought a couple of weeks ago. Most everyone you talk to “Well, the stock market will go up again, it always does” or “It will get better, it always does”.

It took a World War, two A-bombs and a Cold War with the threat of earth's annihilation (except if you were curled up under your desk) to get us out of the last Depression made worse by New Deal programs (which will seem quaintly moderate if Obama keeps his promises).

23 posted on 11/23/2008 11:38:40 PM PST by 21twelve
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Woo hoo! 700 billion dollars of white elephants! That’ll fix us real good!


24 posted on 11/23/2008 11:41:18 PM PST by dr_who
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Here's a stimulus plan. Pay off everyone's credit cards.

The money still gets to the banks and with all that spanking new available we'll all just go out and spend, spend, spend.

Woohoo!

And who cares what costs? Just print more!

/sarc

25 posted on 11/23/2008 11:52:07 PM PST by ItsForTheChildren
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To: RebelViking

Thank you for that synopsis on deflation. I should have know the TV folks would use it as a scare tactic. Of course, I initially fell for it but luckily being a FREEPER I come to the source of truth and find out the real scoop. Thank you.


26 posted on 11/23/2008 11:53:04 PM PST by napscoordinator
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To: ItsForTheChildren
Here's a stimulus plan. Pay off everyone's credit cards.

Except that the real goal of the Feds, the banks, and the Government is to keep American families enslaved on the Federal Plantation.

No, paying off everyone's credit cards won't do. But, robbing the citizen to give money to the banks so that the banks can turn around and lend back to the citizen at usurious rates...now that's the ticket!

27 posted on 11/23/2008 11:59:54 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" --Patrick Henry)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

This is so unimaginative... Another stimulus, taking from one taxpayer’s pocket and putting some of it in another? And only $700B?

Been there, done that... so there is now no HOPE for CHANGE? It is now officially a SAME ole’ HOPELESS Obama administration.

Of course, when economy eventually recovers, no thanks to the government “stimulus”, they want to take credit for it claiming “decisive actions taken on Day 1 of administration”. And al-Media will go along with the “New Better Deal” meme.


28 posted on 11/24/2008 12:01:08 AM PST by CutePuppy (If you don't ask the right questions you may not get the right answers)
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To: napscoordinator
Deflation is worse than inflation.

Yes, prices go down, but prices for EVERYTHING go down including the 'price' someone is willing to pay for your labor, your salary.

Basically, it doesn't matter if gas goes down to, say, $1.50. If high paying jobs are eliminated like those in the auto industry because demand for autos has fallen, then many of those people are forced to take lower paying jobs when their unemployment runs out. If Unemployment is high, labor is cheap. You have no choice but to work for less money. If you were making $2000 per week and gas was $4.00 a gallon before deflation and now you can only make $400 per week, that $1.50 gas actually costs more than the $4.00 gas did earlier.

With falling prices everywhere, some industries will find it more expensive to finish goods that are on the production line than what they can get for those goods once they are completed/built. During the Depression, farmers ran into this problem. There were many that plowed their crops under, dumped their milk out on to the ground and allowed their fruit trees to drop the fruit, only to rot.

Deflation is the worst possible scenario. I do fear that is what we are experiencing now.

Personally, our response should be to get out of debt and liquidate any hard assets that we don't need. Put this money in our mattress and buy our food and toilet paper one can and one roll at a time.

What's coming isn't good and no one, not even the 'Messiah' can help us.
29 posted on 11/24/2008 12:14:26 AM PST by lmr
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To: rabscuttle385

30 posted on 11/24/2008 12:16:46 AM PST by Nateman ( Socialism: A social disease spread through ignorant, evil or crazy contact.)
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To: lmr
"...If you were making $2000 per week and gas was $4.00 a gallon before deflation and now you can only make $400 per week, that $1.50 gas actually costs more than the $4.00 gas did earlier..."

Someday, only the poor will own SUVs?

:-\

31 posted on 11/24/2008 12:57:05 AM PST by Does so (Schumer, with IndyMac, precipitated bank failures just in time for the 2008 election.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

You got to be kidding. . . This is too much. . . Bankruptcy court is far cheaper. . . and in bankruptcy court everything has to be transparent and everything is up for review


32 posted on 11/24/2008 1:12:25 AM PST by volslover
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To: lmr

On the other hand, in a global economy, there’s no Universal Law that says Americans Shall Always Get Paid More Than Others.

Unless Americans are being more productive, more efficient, more innovative, more high-quality, or some other category, there’s no reason we shouldn’t be paid peanuts and live in huts like our competitors. While the libs would like that out of “fairness,” I’d rather it not happen...but there’s no reason to think consumers around the world are going to Buy American just because we want to live better than others.

And with the way our public schools are, I don’t know that we have a great advantage over our competition. This could last a very long time.


33 posted on 11/24/2008 1:15:01 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Deo volente

From the article:

Republicans quickly criticized the idea of such a vast initiative, saying Congress should instead cut taxes to spur economic growth.

“Democrats can’t seem to stop trying to outbid each other — with the taxpayers’ money,” House Minority Leader John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) said in a statement. “We’re in tough economic times. Folks are hurting. But the American people know that more Washington spending isn’t the answer.”


34 posted on 11/24/2008 2:42:01 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: lmr

napscoordinator, everyone can have their own personal opinion about inflation vs. deflation, and depending on the situation a case can be made for both sides, but the specific context needs to be looked at, and can not only be viewed in relation to the Great Depression.

Yeah the Great Depression was bad, but just because we could experience “Great Depression Part II: The Return”, that doesn’t mean we will get massive deflation again since our national economic situation is very different. You’ll be hoping for some when you see what happens.

With the Marxist Democrats plans for insane amounts of spending and welfare, combined with the “bailouts” and “rebates” and asset aquisitions by the Fed as well as just the overall pure stupidity of printing money nonstop, that means we are going to see inflation. There is no way around it, and the million dollar bill will have Hussein Osama’s ugly face on it, or maybe Barney Flame’s.

The dollar is going down. Then again, that is just my personal belief and everyone should decide the best course of action for themself; buy euros and gold, or save dollars. Whatever you do, don’t listen to idiots on TV or idiots at the Fed.


35 posted on 11/24/2008 2:44:33 AM PST by RebelViking
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To: Gondring

“I don’t know that we have a great advantage over our competition.”

The American spirit of freedom, innovation, and hard work are our advantages. I know the democrats want to take away freedom and hard work, and without them innovation will be difficult at best.


36 posted on 11/24/2008 2:46:03 AM PST by RebelViking
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To: Deo volente

It also would include targeted tax cuts for working families, students, the elderly and job-creating businesses that Obama touted on the campaign trail.

David Axelrod, Obama’s chief political strategist, said the president-elect is weighing whether to let the cuts for the wealthy expire on Dec. 31, 2010, as provided in current law. Such a delay would permit Obama to avoid raising taxes during a recession.


37 posted on 11/24/2008 2:46:09 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: Deo volente
Adding tax cuts to the package is expected to increase its cost to the Treasury by as much as $200 billion, Democrats said.

Low Tax Rates Grow the Economy, Stupid

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38 posted on 11/24/2008 2:48:35 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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Adding tax cuts to the package is expected to increase its cost to the Treasury by as much as $200 billion, Democrats said.

Lower Tax Rates Increase Federal Revenues, Democrats Wrong Again

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39 posted on 11/24/2008 2:56:17 AM PST by Son House (Mr. Øbama, Your Tax Increases Are Decreasing Job Opportunities)
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To: RebelViking
I’m only a rightwinger that went to Exeter and Harvard so what do I know.

Well, I'm a rightwinger who went to a local university, but I know you should have used "who" instead of "that" in your sentence.

Sorry, just kidding, couldn't resist.

40 posted on 11/24/2008 3:38:03 AM PST by Dawn531
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