Posted on 11/22/2008 6:02:05 AM PST by ETL
This week is the anniversary of the tragic day in 1963 [11/22/63, 35 years ago today] when John F. Kennedy was assassinated on the streets of Dallas. Looking back, we can see that Kennedy's death marked a turning point, when the political consensus of the time gave way to the confrontational politics that we associate with the 1960s. The upheavals that followed -- along with the bitter partisanship that disfigured political life in the last third of the century, and whose echoes we still hear today -- can be traced back to that day in Dallas.
The terrorist attack of Sept. 11, 2001, is the only other event in the modern era that compares with the Kennedy assassination in terms of its shattering impact on public opinion. And there are parallels: The 9/11 attacks, like the Kennedy case, stimulated conspiracy theories claiming that either the U.S. government knew what was coming, or that somehow America itself was responsible.
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.....as you were. I'm done.
Facts and 'modern' forensics do not prove Oswald was the shooter, no more than did the Warren Report.
The car shows that the “magic bullet” nuts were wrong because they didn’t accurately show how the men were seated in the ACTUAL car. The actual car has been re-created in the computer model, how does using the actual car “not line up”?
The actual car and occupants are shown in the actual film.. The computer 're-creation' does not show that reality.
We don’t have to agree that Oswald was the lone assasin, just like we don’t have to all agree that O.J. Simpson committed 2 murders, there is an overwhelming amount of evidence to prove both. We don’t have to agree that Islamic Terrorists were responsible for 9/11 even though there is an overwhelming amount of evidence that they did. You can believe what you want, as for me, I’m 100% sure of the guilt of Oswald, OJ, and Islamic Terrorists. Watch the videos and read my posts on this thread to debunk many popular myths about the JFK assassination. What’s your theory about JFK?
My theory is that the single bullet theory is an effort to prove a politically correct version of JFK's murder..
- Thus the question remains, - just why must we all agree there was a lone assassin? -- Which 'cult' benefits? -- I say the big government 'cult' benefits, not a cult of conspiracy.
You just deny all of the evidence
[ No, I do not. - Much of the Warren Report is factual. - The single bullet theory is not; it is just that, a theory.]
as a conspiracy of the people doing the re-creations of the crime scene and the “cult” of “big government”???
The Warren Report is the governments version of events.. Even the guy's that wrote it later admitted it had many factual errors. - The SB theory is one of many.
You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?
I think we can agree that many media outlets have reasons to back the official govt version of events; -- right?
Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you. WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.
I don't believe the official story, - few on this website do, -- about most anything.. We believe in the idea of a free exchange of info in a free republic; -- can you agree?
Here is a link to the documentary.
I found it very interesting and hard to refute.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html
Here’s the link to the Discovery documentary.
http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2008/11/13/jfk-forensics-tech.html
“We might never know if Oswald pulled the trigger, but when you look at the wind pattern, the spread of the debris, the angles and distances involved, it’s consistent with a shot from the sixth floor depository,” said Martin.
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It’s ridiculous that they still have to equivocate, what do you mean we’ll never know!!! You and others showed the shot came from the 6th floor depository, a fiber on the rifle came from Oswalds shirt, the spent casings were there, the best modern forensics and physics lead to a shot from the depository, Oswald had also tried to assasinate General Edwin Walker, etc., etc. We DO know Oswald did it Mr. Martin!
It’s like you have to apologize for the truth, I bet some of Mr. Martins best friends are black people too. lol
Your arguments are simply non-factual, it’s pointless to have an “exchange of ideas” with you, all your “arguments” are. “It’s all the cult of big government trying to prove it was Oswald”, by that line of thinking all evidence that points to Oswald no matter where it comes from proves your “theory” that anyone pointing to Oswald is part of the government conspiracy to pin it on Oswald. You’ve said exactly that, you dismiss everything as the “cult” talking. Utterly ridiculous, it depends what the meaning of the word “is” is.
If you’ve seen all the JFK threads here you would know that you’re wrong, most people here DO NOT believe in the various conspiracies and believe that an ex-Marine with a rifle who bought into Marxism, who tried to kill General Walker, saw a golden opportunity to get REALLY famous by killing JFK, and if he didn’t score that last head shot JFK likely would have lived.
You are way, way, way, way out there FRiend, so the guys doing the computer models (a company which re-creates scenes for insurance, crime scenes) are big government cultists twisting their computer model to prove a single shooter? They’re not trying to honestly solve the crime?
I think we can agree that many media outlets have reasons to back the official govt version of events; -- right?
Like I said, you are a deconstructionist and NOTHING will prove anything to you. WHAT IS YOUR THEORY of what happened 11/22/63, don’t tell me that it’s a conspiracy to prove that Oswald did it, I want to know what YOU think happened since you don’t believe the “official cult” story.
I don't believe the official story, - few on this website do, -- about most anything.. We believe in the idea of a free exchange of info in a free republic; -- can you agree?
Your arguments are simply non-factual, it’s pointless to have an “exchange of ideas” with you, all your “arguments” are. “It’s all the cult of big government trying to prove it was Oswald”,
So you claim.. The facts are that the Report is filled with flaws, - thus its theories are questionable.
-- that line of thinking all evidence that points to Oswald no matter where it comes from proves your “theory” that anyone pointing to Oswald is part of the government conspiracy to pin it on Oswald. You’ve said exactly that, you dismiss everything as the “cult” talking. Utterly ridiculous, it depends what the meaning of the word “is” is.
No, I haven't "said exactly that", -- as anyone who reads our exchange can verify.
-- you’ve seen all the JFK threads here you would know that you’re wrong, most people here DO NOT believe in the various conspiracies and believe that an ex-Marine with a rifle who bought into Marxism, who tried to kill General Walker, saw a golden opportunity to get REALLY famous by killing JFK, and if he didn’t score that last head shot JFK likely would have lived.
I'd say that most of the people at FR do not believe the official version, the Warren Report's theories.. We wonder why some here feel it is 'deconstructionist' to object to the single bullet theory..
Unfortunately, too many times a person has to say to themselves, “you just can’t fix stupid”.
The Warren Report has more flaws than we can list but they did figure out that Oswald killed Kennedy. They were absolutely wrong in some of theri conclusions but the fact remains they did arrive at the number one suspect committing the crime.
You’re still in the denial stage of your illness.
Well, your post is nothing but insults as usual...you won't discuss this intelligently nor will you answer questions...you just say Oswald did it and anyone that doesn't believe Oswald did it belongs on DU, basically. You just refused to answer my question about the Tague bullet.
Looking at your posting history you're into JFK 24h/7d/12m a year and I've had about enough brain tissue, skull flaps, and my hatred of Johnson to last me until next November (if we survive 10 months of Obama).
You guys say it's a simple case of one man in a window...if so (and I know you won't answer this question either), why won't the government release the last confiscated video? Why was a lot of stuff locked up for 75 years?
Here's my theory on the 75 year deal, and Johnson's refusal to run in '68 is a big part of this. Johnson got the green light from the CIA and the FBI to have his goons assassinate JFK because of Vietnam. The CIA and the FBI would manipulate evidence to help. Johnson knew that assassinating the president would be the crime of the century if successful and he knew the shooters would eventually brag (he didn't foresee the bias of the media toward Dems to the point of protecting every single one of them from scrutiny so their bragging is ignored). He thought he would be the most hated president in history when a majority of the public realized that he was in on the killing and that's why he sealed records in his vaults. I believe that he had confidantes lay out exactly his reason for doing what he did to JFK sealed in his vaults. It will be presented as a necessary step to saving the country from the spread of communism, that line being drawn in Vietnam. I believe he couldn't care less about his Great Society crap but did that as a sacrifice thinking that's what JFK would've done (although JFK was more like Reagan than a welfare statist). When the vaults are opened that's what may be revealed "I had to remove JFK but besides Vietnam I governed in the spirit of JFK" and having failed in Vietnam he only honorable way out was to not run in '68. JFK said Vietnam couldn't be won, Johnson killed JFK to try to win in Vietnam and then failed, so JFK basically died for nothing due to Johnson's and the CIA's bad judgment. How else to explain someone as power mad as Johnson refusing to run for re-election when he probably could've employed his goons to steal precincts like Joe Kennedy did in '60.
OK, I'll get back to you next November. Here are some questions you can work on over the next year:
Why was evidence sealed for 75 years?
What was Brading doing in the maintenance elevator at the third floor of the Daltex building?
Why did everyone run up the knoll?
Why did about all the witnesses (and a lot of the secret service) say there were three shots and the last two were right on top of each other?
Why did all the Parkland doctors say there was a large hole at the right rear of the skull?
Why does JFK's skull change shape 1/2 second after the first head shot (the second brain matter cloud can be seen, although just barely, by the way)?
Why was the secret service called off the back of the limo before the motorcade even started?
Why weren't windows closed along the route?
Why did the Parkland doctors have the back wound several inches down to where the throat wound could not have been an exit wound?
Why did Johnson want Jackie to ride with him in the motorcade?
Why did the Attourney General Robert Kennedy, a man who should know intimate details, ask Johnson why he had his brother killed?
By the way, if Obama was smart he'd issue an executive order to release the rest of the JFK assassination materials...it may help keep the CIA from doing the same thing to him, people would be watching. Jackie and John John are passed on, Teddy's done, a lot of the killers have died, and Caroline is thinking of joining the administration.
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That explains it all. You found your suspect before you ever looked at the case.
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