Posted on 11/21/2008 2:05:30 PM PST by pissant
Then be sure to pass it on to all your friends! Go viral! Find out you’ve been snookered, for fun and profit.
Actually that is not correct. You must be 35, a natural-born citizen and 14 years a resident. Those are the Constitutional requirements. The first law that defined natural born was this one:
1790 First Congress, Act of March 26th, 1790, 1 Stat. 103.
"And the children of citizens of the United States that may be born beyond the sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens: Provided, That the right of citizenship shall not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States".
Subsequently there were additions and revisions, such as the law that was in effect at the time of McCain's birth:
1934 Act of May 24, 1934, Section 1, 48 Stat. 797.
"Any child hereafter born out of the limits and jurisdiction of the United States, whose father or mother or both at the time of birth of such child is a citizen of the United States, is declared to be a citizen of the United States: but the rights of citizenship shall not descend to any such child unless the citizen father or citizen mother, as the case may be, has resided in the United States previous to the birth of such child. In cases where one of the parents is an alien, the right of citizenship shall not descend unless the child comes to the United States and resides therein for at least five years continuously immediately previous to his eighteenth birthday, and unless, within six months after the child's twenty-first birthday, he or she shall take an oath of allegiance to the United States of America as prescribed by the Bureau of Naturalization."
And then the law at the time of Obama's birth:
1952 The Immigration and Nationality Act of June 27, 1952, 66 Stat. 163, 235, 8 U.S. Code Section 1401 (b). (Section 301 of the Act).
"Section 301. (a) The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:
"(1) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;
"(7) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States, who prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than ten years, at least five of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years."
Here is the current oath to which he affirmed as a Senator:
http://www.senate.gov/artandhistory/history/common/briefing/Oath_Office.htm
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
And the key question as before is: why doesn’t Obama simply produce his birth certificate?
If there is embarrassing information as opposed to information disqualifying him on it, so what, he has been elected and that information can’t really hurt him. One wonders why he is stonewalling.
My guess is there could be “questions” about it re the comment made above that his mother hadn’t lived in the U.S. the previous 5 years or something similar.
I was told that if Obama is disqualified, then the Democrat Electors can vote for whom so ever they wish, as long as the person was registered as eligible to run for President.
Could be Hilary Clinton, Bill Richardson, or anyone who qualified with the FEC.
I think following the Constitution is a pretty good way to assure the trust of the people - I don’t know about you though...
Oh, and WELCOME TO FR!
“Then be sure to pass it on to all your friends!”
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I still haven’t seen it.
Only if you think a natural born citizen and a citizen at birth, are different things. People born of two US parents, or one parent that meets the US residence requirement, are citizens at birth. Including McCain, not including the Anointed One, if he was not born in the US.
This has never been adjudicated. The first law, passed in 1790, on such issues, declared:
And the children of citizens of the United States, that may be born beyond sea, or out of the limits of the United States, shall be considered as natural born citizens."
So it seems the first Congress, comprised of many of the same people who wrote the Constitution, which was ratified a year earlier, disagree with you.
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Indeed. One says “Certification” and the other says “Certificate”. Two different things completely.
That’s not my problem.
Keep a-fightin’ !
Is that all? And there are all these FReepers dumbstruck at the fact that it hasn’t been presented to them with a fully illustrated roadmap on how to get there.
Wouldn't Obama be guilty of bilking a **lot** of people out of **millions** of dollars? Geeze! Thousands of people donated money to his campaign. He accepted and used that money. Isn't this **criminal** fraud?
If Obama is not a natural born citizen then I think criminal charges and prison time are the correct response.
“Everyone is aware that McNutt was born in the canal zone. P-A-N-A-M-A
On the contrary.
Most of us KNOW McNut was born in Colón, Republic of Panama, and not the Canal Zone.
I'm recalling that this language from 1790 was modified in 1795 to read "... shall be considered as citizens." This would mean an intentional distinction from natural born citizens.
Nor mine, honestly.
Then you'd be talking impeachment, as fraudulently passing oneself off as a natural born citizen to run for president when knowing it to be a lie has to be a high crime and misdemeanor, not to mention scamming donors for their money.
-PJ
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