Posted on 11/15/2008 11:02:50 AM PST by engrpat
COLUMBUS, Ohio – Even as Detroit's Big Three teeter on collapse, United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger says workers will not make any more concessions and that getting the automakers back on their feet means figuring out a way to turn around the slumping economy.
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For GM's powerful dealership network. It's the only thing keeping GM at #2. Without it they'd be #4 or worse. If Toyota takes control of it they will OWN the US auto market.
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Just exactly how many pieces can that pie be sliced into.
That is 100% correct. Why not try to strongarm/bully the company? I’m sure they know right now they might be on the streets soon, so why not?
I really support US manufacturing on principle, but this is complete madness. There’s a real good chance that hussein will bend over for them, but like people are saying, it’ll kill his numbers.
It’ll be fun watching him suffer over it.
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‘The democrats will take credit for the bailouts and Obama will look like the savior of the US auto industry and, barring some unexpected calamity, will ride a media enduced wave right into re-election in 2012.’
Freaking sucks don’t it. The damn fool will be hard to beat since he’s untouchable by race, and nobody that counts wants to criticize the messiah in the first place. At least for awhile. Hopefully the US public will wake up in time, but I doubt it.
What a maroon! The UAW will act the same regardless of the facts.
That's likely to be insufficient. If the same UAW members are retained with reduced wages, the most likely outcome will be that they sabotage the company and drive it out of business. You would have to almost start over, with nearly 100% new hourly employees and no union permitted.
In the world of unlimited Democrat power, the most likely outcome will be:
1. unlimited bailout for GM and Ford with current UAW contracts in place but the shareholders and management taking major hits. Under government management, GM and Ford will build cars that no one wants to own, so losses will continue at astronomical levels into the indefinite future. When the economy turns around (despite Zero's best efforts to keep it down) GM and Ford will have unsalable products and hence will not ever get off the dole. (Management deserves some of the hits.)
2. To "level the playing field" the other automobile companies, such as Toyota, will be required to recognize the UAW and their employees forced to join the union.
Jack
The longer the death of the big 3 is postponed, the more painful and expensive it will eventually be. Let them die now and after the unions are gone, allow a car manufacture to try again.
Rule #1: no unions
Rule #2: no pensions
Can anyone on this site please tell me where I can get a list of all Chairman Zero’s donators? I want to start my boycotts NOW.
I do not understand where these people’s heads are? Dh’s union took a pay freeze for 5 years in the late 90’s to preserve their jobs. It would not kill the UAW to take the same action now until the car companies were all operating at profit again. This is stupid to risk all jobs for the benefit of those who are close to retirement.
He thinks there willl be new contracts and new jobs at Ameican Toyota, Honda, BMW and Volkswagen.
The change coming to America includes total unionization of the Auto industry and all the vendors.
so this bailout will probably be rammed down our throats, although it will be politically damaging for them.
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It could happen and if it does there will be more than PR for them to worry about if GM carries on in a business as usual mode. Their sales will suffer big time as there will be a consumer’s backlash fed up with having to support outrageous benefits and pay scales, not to mention the ridiculous work rules. There is no way in hell that they can justify the wages and benefits these workers make for the tasks that they perform, especially when you consider the pay scales of so many with advance degrees who can’t even find a job at wages far below those of GM workers.
This is the way the unions work. ALL unions. They USE the workers (while not really giving a fig about any of them) for the sympathy vote. They’ll trot out Joe Blow whose wife is suffering some terminal disease and their two young children, and who, absent a bailout will face bankruptcy, death, etc.
Let the Dems when they hold ALL the reins of power in Washington bail them out, if they must. But they are asking the American taxpayer to buy an industry whose products the American consumer will not buy.
IMO, better to file bankruptcy, get rid of the onerous union contracts, bring in managers (from Japan if necessary) who have a clue how to run a successful business the offers a good product for a reasonable price. American cars might start selling again.
Wait until after GM dies, the contracts are null and void, and hey presto...
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even then Toyota would be foolish to hire former workers of GM who have a union mentality and culture that can’t be broken.
Yep, just like Jimma' Carter did in 1980. /snicker
And I say: no more UAW!
Yeah, but then you can buy up the name, designs, tech, and in GM’s case the priceless library of human/machine ergonomics that they never seem to use but are happy to let others access for pennies. Scrap the rest.
That’s what happened to Triumph Motorcycles - John Bloor bought the IP and brand, dumped the rest, rebuilt the company from a blank slate and now they’re regarded among the best in the world.
And just who owns it presently?
Idiot. The moron should ask the rank and file/retirees what they think. Gettelfinger wouldn’t be so quick to gamble jobs if his was actually one on the line. Rich,powerful, top of the heap, UAW fat cats have ruined it for everyone.
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