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Understanding Peggy Noonan
November 11, 2008 | Irish Rose

Posted on 11/11/2008 6:31:00 PM PST by Irish Rose

Understanding Peggy Noonan

I read the other day that Peggy Noonan voted for John McCain. What's news is that that is news.

You would think that we could assume a leading conservative writer didn't vote for Barack Obama, but Peggy Noonan has given us reason to wonder. After Peggy declared that “Palin's Failin'”, the notion was taken up far and wide that she wandered from the conservative fold. “Peggy, we hardly knew ye” has become a refrain among on-line conservatives.

But her wanderings didn't begin with that op-ed. I have read all of Peggy Noonan's books and followed her column faithfully for years; I can tell you that there has been a shift in her since 2005. A veritable Bush Bot during the first Bush administration, she has since gotten to the point of interrupting a column about Pope Benedict to make a snarky aside about President Bush. His offense? Meeting with the pope at the White House. This is a dramatic change. To get an idea of how dramatic, read Peggy Noonan's "The Crying Room", and then "American Grit".

We all know what Peggy had to say about Sarah Palin. There have been other things in her writing that you would not expect from a conservative. One is a certain softness about Barack Obama. Another is increasingly left-leaning views on Iraq - belief that the invasion was wrong from the beginning, opposition to the Surge, support for the Iraq Study Group's recommendations, the statement that Joe Biden has, for five years running, been more right on Iraq than the Bush administration.

I have watched this change in Peggy Noonan with fascination that has been morbid only some of the time. On a purely human level, it's a very interesting thing. Other people have noticed it too, and for years I have read with interest their theories. Now I would like to offer my own.

The first thing I would like to say is this: There have been many suggestions, going back to January 2005, that Peggy Noonan's judgments of President Bush, Barack Obama, and Sarah Palin have been motivated by jealousy, elitism, financial gain, personal problems, and what is delicately termed a "change of life". I think all these should be put aside. As things stand now, there is little evidence for or against such explanations, making the discussion purely speculative and largely uncharitable.

Peggy Noonan's turning point has been identified as "Too Much God" - her column critical of President Bush's Second Inaugural Address. This is accurate: That is the time when the change was first noticed. But I would like to propose a different date as to when it began: June 9, 2004.

Don't bother thinking that long about it: I'm not referring to any momentous national event. More like a momentous personal event. June 9, 2004 was the day Peggy Noonan was in the Capitol, for a gathering of old Reagan hands. An alarm was sounded, the Capitol was evacuated, and as Peggy looked back toward the building, she saw the wheelchair-bound Oatsie Williams stuck at the top of the steps. Two policemen took hold of the wheelchair and carried the woman down, and, as Peggy writes in Patriotic Grace:

But something happened as I watched Oatsie being carried down the Capitol steps. A thought had come with the force of an intuition, though it was not that. Just a thought, barely carried in words. In time it sank in, and did not leave me for months, and then years.

It was:

Before this is over we'll all be helping each other down the stairs...

It came to be for me a reordering thought. I'd felt a version if this sentiment since 9/11, and maybe you did too. But in some new way, for me, it...broke through. And stayed with me, coming to reshape or reorient my thinking, my attitude, about many things.

I came to think this: the old ways are over, the old politics are over. The weary going through the motions as each side brutalizes the other: over. A new time has begun, or must begin. We have to sober up, we have to change, the stakes are that high. This is a time for seriousness, for high-mindedness, forbearance, and reason. We have to try to sort of shake our heads and see each other new, and the landscape new.

What conservative would deny the stakes are high? What human being would say that any time is not a time for seriousness, high-mindedness, and reason? As for forbearance - well, there are no exceptions to the Golden Rule. If you love your country you should care about your fellow countrymen; hopefully they aren't your enemies. And if they are - well, Christ said to love your enemies.

So all this is very well as far as it goes. But how far does Peggy go? This we find out a few pages later:

All this came to change the way I do my work, which is writing about politics. It left me - it is a little embarrassing to say this, because it admits and acknowledges a previous lack - open in some new way to, and eager to hear, the stands and suggestions of those I'd previously seen as generally unhelpful (that would be liberals) and sometimes newly protesting of some of the actions of those whose views I'd previously found congenial.

That would be conservatives, I guess. So there we have it: Peggy Noonan is now more open to liberals' ideas and more hostile to conservatives' actions. Well. At least bipartisan still means that Democrats win.

I mentioned earlier Peggy's softness on Barack Obama. I would like to present the idea that her treatment of Obama is a prime example of her new thinking. In all fairness, she responded toughly to Obama's assertion that the question of when human life begins is above his pay grade. Two early articles on Barack Obama - "The Man From Nowhere" and "The Conceit of Government" - were very creditable also. But after Barack Obama became a serious contender, a curious feature emerged of Peggy Noonan's writings about him: She almost never addressed his policies or principles. His persona, his temperament, his eloquence, his blackness - but not what he believed or wanted to do. Here are some of her later comments:

Obama [is] worthy in his own way of admiration... [He does not] seem by nature inclined toward brute, gut-player politics. ... [Obama] seems temperamentally not inclined to be a killer, to encourage the dark side of politics. Patriotic Grace

Barack Obama has a great thinking look. I mean the look he gets on his face when he's thinking, not the look he presents in debate... I mean the look he gets in an interview or conversation when he's listening and not conscious of his expression. It's a very present look. He seems more in the moment than handling the moment. "The Trance"

[Obama] has impressed people, and not with money, résumé or clout but something rarer, natural gifts. That's not nothing. Big talent is rare, and deserves consideration. "The Trance"

Yes, I think [Barack Obama is reasonable]. ... Mr. Obama is thoughtful, and it would be a pleasure to have a president who is highly literate and a writer of books. "Be Reasonable"

The Obama campaign has been one of real dignity and cool, and in this it reflected its candidate. "Why It's Getting Mean"

[H]e gave me a keen look. "Who are you for, the election? I guess the Republicans." I paused. "I haven't had to decide yet," I said. "I'm just watching and trying to figure it out. But I'll tell you, it would be a delight to me if Mr. Obama shows himself to be deep enough, sturdy and sophisticated enough that one could vote for him in good conscience." Patriotic Grace

The only thing any principled conservative ever needed to decide in the 2008 election is: McCain or third party? That is not because conservatives are close-minded, not because they lack grace or anything else. It is because they have set philosophical principles; they know what they believe and they know what Obama believes. Once you have decided a candidate's principles are wrong and his policies are disastrous, you don't care if he has "natural gifts". You don't care if he is dignified or cool or sturdy. You don't care how sophisticated he is. You don't even care if he has a great thinking expression.

To reject a candidate because of his principles is an act of clarity and rationality. It cuts to the heart of the matter, to the root and substance of things. To borrow one of Peggy's favored words, it is high-minded, and you don't get any higher.

By contrast, does anyone else notice how fundamentally unserious some of Peggy's remarks on Obama have been? He's literate! He writes books! Way to call 'em! Reading Shakespeare and Hemingway is a prime qualification for running the country. And when we look at dark times and rough waters ahead - I say, let's put a writer in the Oval Office!

In Patriotic Grace, Peggy Noonan calls herself a political conservative. To this day she has written much that shows - and nothing that contradicts - that she is pro-life and believes in limited government. Now consider the fact that Barack Obama is rated the most liberal member of the Senate. He voted four times against the Infants Born Alive Protection Act; he said that he didn't want his daughters "punished with a baby" - thus supporting not only abortion, but the abortion of his own grandchildren. He opposed the Surge and once said that we should negotiate with Iran without preconditions. He believes that health insurance is a right and should be provided by the federal government. And I haven't even mentioned the company he keeps.

I know all this, and politics is only my hobby. Politics is Peggy's profession; she must know all this too. So what are we to make of this: Peggy Noonan sees a presidential candidate who thinks we should socialize health care and let babies die, and she wonders: Is this man deep enough to be president?

Peggy's new aspiration to what she calls "grace" may have given her higher sentiments, but it has also lowered her considerations. Her evaluation of Barack Obama indicates a severe loss of either seriousness, or perspective, or principle. She has put more importance on Barack Obama's sophistication than his beliefs - and I can't express what an appalling, what an extraordinary failure of judgment that is.

Perhaps it is a boggling failure of judgment; perhaps Peggy has, to some extent, become philosophically unmoored, and she's drifting left. I don't know. But it isn't good.

That is one revelation I experienced while reading Patriotic Grace. I had another. I'm happy I read that book - I'm finally cracking some nuts.

There has been a viewpoint - a recurring theme - in Peggy's writings that has puzzled me. Here are some examples:

[The Bush administration] had brutish impulses when opposed. Patriotic Grace

That is the authentic sound of the aggression...of the Bush White House. "Palin and Populism"

[If Scott McClellan had resigned from principle, the administration] would have beaten him to a pulp...as a lesson: This is what happens when you leave and talk. "But Is It True?"

The deeper story is not that those who've been silenced [by the Bush White House] have often come forward to speak in harsh terms. The deeper story is that the Bush White House hurt itself by using muscle to squelch alternative thinking--creative thinking, independent judgments... It was this tendency that led to the administration's gym-rat reputation, all muscle and no brains. "Now He Tells Us"

This complaint is actually somewhat unique - at least for conservatives. Most conservatives don't think the Bush White House has been too aggressive in dealing with critics; what they usually say is that it has not been anything like aggressive enough.

How many examples of the Bush White House's brutal aggression against its opponents can be named? Where have President Bush's "brutish" instincts been in evidence? George W. Bush may be the most insulted man in the world; he has been called everything from Hitler to a chimp, from a war criminal to a retard. Now, sit down to compose a list of the ten nastiest things he has said in response, and see what you come up with.

Consider also the total decorum with which the president has treated his former subordinates - no matter what they did, no matter what he could have gained by speaking against them. He could have defended himself by attacking Donald Rumsfeld, or General Casey and General Abizaid. He could have bolstered his reputation at the expense of theirs, but he never put them down. Even when his subordinates turned out to be rats - such as Scott McClellan, Paul O'Neill, and even, to some extent, Colin Powell and Dick Armitage - President Bush has never treated them with anything but unfailing grace. This is the man whose administration would have beaten McClellan to a pulp.

But, thanks to Patriotic Grace, I now think I understand what Peggy Noonan is talking about when she explains that the Bush White House would have crushed Scott McClellan had he talked. Here is a quotation from that book:

I think the Bush White House made a mistake that has not been fully noted. ... I believe they mobilized the blogs, the cable shows, talk radio, the comment threads, and so on, to advance the administration policy and to take down those who disagreed with it.

This is what is known as a conspiracy theory - or as I like to think of them, "stories without a leg to stand on". It has no empirical evidence, it creates questions rather than answers them, and it appears to arise from existing belief rather than observed reality.

I know of no evidence for this assertion, and neither does Peggy Noonan. She offers not a scrap of fact to support it. But she just knows that Bush staffers have been anonymously waging war against administration opponents, and she really is unhappy with them about it. As she also writes in Patriotic Grace:

I had my own rounds in this arena [of right-wing Internet forums] when, after years of arguing in support of Mr. Bush and his policies in essays and columns in 2000 and after, and taking time off from The Wall Street Journal to volunteer for him during 2004, I...wrote a piece for the Journal declaring the address to be what I thought it was: wild in its ambitions, immature in its thinking, and deeply ahistorical. Now I was treated as the enemy, too.

Peggy Noonan believes the Bush White House mobilized the blogs and the comment threads to take down its opponents. It would seem logical to say she believes they mobilized them to take down her. Here, perhaps, we have at last insight into her animosity against President Bush. She argued in support of President Bush - she took off time from work to volunteer for him - and then she was treated as the enemy. The ingrates. The traitors.

But if Peggy is sour on President Bush these days, at least she's chipper about Barack Obama. As she writes in her post-election analysis:

Mr. Obama won [his mandate] the old-fashioned way: he earned it. He confounded history to get it. And because he replaces a president whose unpopularity has impeded his ability to govern, he is, in a way, president from day one.

What a thing this is going to be to see. What luck to observe it.

Well, what can a conservative say? Here I am, worried about the unborn and hoping America survives President Barack Obama, and she's feeling lucky to see him take the reins of state.

Come back, Peggy!


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KEYWORDS: anothervanity; bho2008; noonan; obama; palin; peggynoonan; stayawaypeggy; vanity
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To: Irish Rose

Can Peggy field dress a moose? No? F her.


161 posted on 11/13/2008 8:03:35 PM PST by aWolverine
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To: ladyvet

You are talking in circles. You are thoughtlessly pushing a Feminist agenda that damages the country. Read this:

What Kind of Nation Sends Women into Combat?
http://www.visionforumministries.org/issues/women_in_the_military/what_kind_of_nation_sends_wome.aspx


162 posted on 11/13/2008 8:11:20 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: donna

You are talking about things that have gone on and on in the military for years. They don’t talk about the guys that cant’ take it do they? Been there, done that, will take a strong woman in in a foxhole anytime over a mertosexual fag! How about you? ....oh that’s right you can bit*h about the military but you have never been there. Thanks Monday morning courterback!


163 posted on 11/13/2008 8:24:42 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: donna

That is really too much. We need to honor all who serve in our military. You are directly disrespecting a person who has worn the uniform, you are attempting to demean many who have served and are serving. You are showing no class at all.


164 posted on 11/13/2008 8:33:46 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: ladyvet

You and G.I. Jane (the movie), LOL.


165 posted on 11/13/2008 8:40:17 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: Tammy8

“Men of America, what’s wrong with you? These women were in Iraq doing your job! . . . Would you send your wife downstairs at 2 a.m. to investigate a suspicious noise? If there’s a fight on the corner, would you send your sister to break it up? It’s the same thing.”
- Lou Marano -


166 posted on 11/13/2008 8:44:02 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: Irish Rose

Nooner has gone on the Sushi/Brie list. She can join Huffandpuffington.

Pray for W, Gov Palin and Our Troops


167 posted on 11/13/2008 8:48:17 PM PST by bray (Rezko = Obama)
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To: donna
I served my county proudly overseas and you make fun of it. Covered your and others....and this is thanks we get? What the hell is wrong with you?! Really....you must have some issues that you need to take care off.
168 posted on 11/13/2008 9:06:07 PM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: ladyvet

This is not about you.

No one is making fun of you.

Get over yourself.


169 posted on 11/13/2008 9:44:27 PM PST by donna (Sarah Palin: A Feminist, not a Conservative.)
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To: donna

This has never been about me. It’s about you dissing woman that have been warriors. I am not a feminist. I do know that when called to action woman can do just as well as men. Are you a mom? How far would you go for your kids if they were threatened? As far as a man? Or would you wait for a male to come along and save your kid?

Have you looked into anything about woman warriors yet? I have no problem with you, I just think you should educate yourself on this subject.


170 posted on 11/14/2008 7:40:15 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: ladyvet; Allegra; All
Ladyvet (Lady WARRIOR,) I thank you and Allegra and many other very strong, brave, bright, dedicated, professional, expert, God-givenly talented and gifted, FEARLESS, HONORABLE, selfless, principled, country-loving, protecting, DEfending, focused, responsible, loving, refreshing, awe-inspiring, humbling, and inspiring WOMEN for BEing ALL of the aforementioned.

You ARE true women warriors.

Pay no nevermind doncha know, to that person who also thinks that Sarah Palin is NOT a Conservative. I am now familiar with the poster and refuse to respond anymore to ?her?

Thank you and Allegra for your dedication to protecting me and MINE as awesome Women Warriors. I could never BEGIN to thank you enough.

AMERICAN Women Warriors are women like nothing else on this Earth.

Have a great day and thank you, again, Lady Vet and Allegra.

Allegra--stay safe and be good. :-)

171 posted on 11/14/2008 8:57:24 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Miss Behave

AMERICAN WOMEN WARRIORS BUMP.


172 posted on 11/14/2008 9:03:46 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: donna; ladyvet

Well I’m a dude, you females have always fascinated and puzzled me. ;)

It’s true women tend to be more emotional than men and that can get in the way of ‘leading’ but it’s a really ridiculous generalization to claim all women are incapable of being leaders or blasting terrorists heads off for that matter. I hope if Palin gets to be President she will show a woman kicking liberalism in the balls. And if you needed someone to protect you from a bear/rapist/sleepcellagent Ladyvet or Sarah Palin are better bets than 142 pounds of Impy or a large % of men. Most people aren’t “warriors”.

Girls and boys aren’t as different as you think.


173 posted on 11/14/2008 9:06:15 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

Amen, and God Bless!


174 posted on 11/14/2008 9:12:26 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Miss Behave

I will take your wise advice and thank you. God Bless!


175 posted on 11/14/2008 9:13:38 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Impy
Impy, you made me laugh about "142 pounds of Impy."

I'm sure that you can defend yourself quite nicely. ;-)

And if anyone wants to see the ULTIMATE definition of a warrior, witness the sight and actions of ANYONE getting between a mother and her CHILDREN.

That IS the definition of "warrior."

And now I'm off to the shooting range to hone my marksmanship.

Have a good one, Impy.

176 posted on 11/14/2008 9:15:11 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: ladyvet
Thank you and God Bless you, Lady Vet.
177 posted on 11/14/2008 9:16:28 AM PST by Miss Behave (Beloved daughter of Miss Creant, super sister of danged Miss Ology, and proud mother of Miss Hap.)
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To: Miss Behave; ladyvet; donna
Thank you for your very kind words, Miss Behave. :)

I've been reading through these posts and I solidly agree with ladyvet's points.

Too many posters seem to assume that all women are exactly alike and we're just not. I have known women in the military who can be quite feminine but tough as nails when it's called for. I have known women that I'd much rather have getting my back than some of the men. (You know, those bitter, spiteful type men who can be cattier than any woman on his best days.)

That being said, I think real men are wonderful. It's boys in men's; bodies I don't have time for. And yes, they do the lion's share in combat and ours do a great job.

But to completely dismiss the contribution women have made in combat situations throughout history is simply ignorant. Women have endured the hardships, shed blood and made the ultimate sacrifice for freedom as well.

Donna, when I see you with 60 pounds of gear on, trudging through the dust in 120-degree heat with the guys, giving it your all for something you believe in, the maybe you can diss these people. But making fun of our women veterans is shameful.

ladyvet, I thank you from the bottom of my heart for your service.

178 posted on 11/14/2008 9:58:28 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Allegra

God Bless you and stay safe. I will put you on my prayer list if that’s OK with you. My eldest is a medic in Okinawa right now...word is he’s headed your way.


179 posted on 11/14/2008 10:13:55 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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To: Allegra
Oh, I agree with you....I LOVE real men. And yes they do carry the burden.
180 posted on 11/14/2008 10:23:20 AM PST by ladyvet (WOLVERINES!!!!!)
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