Posted on 11/09/2008 6:02:51 PM PST by mathwhizz
The demographics are frankly killing us.
Kerry won the latino vote 53%-44% four years ago. Obama won the latino vote 67%-31%.
Obama won the latino vote in Florida for the first time ever.
Obama vastly increased his share of the latino vote in Colorado, New Mexico, and Nevada. If McCain wasn't on the ticket, Arizona would have been very competitive as well.
And we probably got another decade before Texas becomes a purple state unless we reverse the trends here.
Bush won Texas by 23% with Kerry getting 50% of the latino vote. McCain won it by 11% with Obama getting 63% of the latino vote.
It's a problem. What's the solution?
No, it's open-borders nuts like you who are trying to shoot this nation in the head. The R party nominated the most pro-amnesty candidate it could find, and that worked out really well, didn't it? Obama is just as bad on amnesty as McCain, and amnesty, no matter which party passes it, will lead to Dem, or worse, control of all 3 branches of government. Since amnesty is what you wanted, you got your wish with Obama. Happy now?
>>BTW: The Latino vote was NOT responsible for McCain losing/almost losing Ohio, Indiana, North Carolina, Iowa, and Virginia.>>
Actually, the races were so close in Indiana and North Carolina that the small latino population in both of those states probably put Obama over the top.
Yes! And work with them, some of them might then be inspired to run for office and when elected would put a damper on the liberals. A few years back an Hispanic man in SoCal ran for office as a Republican, it must have been a state office since I voted for him and live in the north. He lost, but I saw his name sometime in the last few years and now I can’t remember it. We have lots of Hispanics in state gov. in CA but all Dem and radical libs.
Yes! There are multi-generation Hispanic-American business owners who are, or could be, Republicans. There are multi-generation Hispanic-American Conservative Catholics who could be Republicans. We need them in the GOP!
I think that many Hispanics have to understand that any perception of “hate” (which I believe may be too strong a word) toward Hispanics is the fact that a large majority of Hispanics (legal or not) do not appear to make any attempt at any kind of assimilation here in the US. No one is asking them to forget their ethnicity, but this is the US, put your new home first and learn English! This is not Mexico!
There was a radio ad that was sponsered by some Latino group emphasizing the importance of diversity. It had a white sounding citizen talking about his [white] neighborhood and his [white] friends while the Hispanic sounding citizen was talking about the benefits of his divirse [meaning I guess, white, black, Hispanic, etc.]neighborhood and how this was much better. NEWSFLASH.....!!!! From what I have seen in the Chicago metro area, many Hispanics seem to live in mostly Latino neighborhoods where there is not much diversity!!!
My parents came from Greece and they made the effort to learn the language, which was not easy for them. Yes, we Greek-Americans have our Greektowns and make every effort to remember and honor our Greek heritage....BUT we also consider ourselves AMERICANS first. I have to be honest, I have seen VERY FEW Hispanics do the same.
I work in a place where it is 1/3 white, 1/3 black and 1/3 Hispanic. Trust me when I say there is a tremendous amount of resentment shared by blacks and whites when Hispanics talk among themselves in Spanish when they are working with us. Yet people are afraid to say anything for fear of being called racist.
As this lack of assimilation continues, this can’t be kept quiet much longer. People have had enough with the “press one for English” and all the bi-lingual or Spanish only signs.
All we ask immigrants to do is this....
1. Come here legally.
2. Learn English
3. Learn about the US so that you will....
4. ...consider yourself to be an American FIRST!
LET ME REPEAT....no one is asking you to forget your ethinc history or your native language!!!
If things don’t change, amnesty or not....things are only going to get uglier in the future
I guess to not be labeled a hypocrite, instead of saying "Greek-American", how about "American of Hellenic descent"? Now I have the American part first.
I support English as the only official language (here in NYC the website offers spanish, korean, chinese, russian, arabic and haitian)
Yet I’d take one hard working guy who only speaks Spanish over all the white lefties in academia
ummm McCain lost.
the other problem with “deport deport deport” is that conservatives aren’t supposed to be in favor of some kind of Stasi police state that could bite us all back later.
Focus on border control so that they don’t come in here in the first place.
>>Focus on border control so that they don’t come in here in the first place.<<
Any objection to busting those who hire them, so that some of them will self deport?
I prefer going after states and localities that give illegals welfare (including public school) and sanctuary, not business owners.
>>I prefer going after states and localities that give illegals welfare (including public school) and sanctuary, not business owners.<<
IMO, we would be doomed with your approach. I agree that would be an improvement, if it were possible, but even in that unlikely event, it would not be sufficient.
Besides, did you ever hear of Plyler v. Doe? And even if the SCOTUS were to reverse itself on that decision, illegals would still come here as long as they could find jobs.
Read the comments on this very thread by Reaganaut, and tell me if you would want to be part of the Republican party if you were Hispanic? Sure, he will say his comments are 'correct'(they are generalizations that lump the Hispanic-American Business Owners that you mention with just-fresh-from-the-border economic migrants who are not well educated, and presents them all as this 'brown skin'amalgamation that is pulling the country to 3rd world status), but my question still remains ...if you read those comments, and you are Hispanic, would you believe that the GOP welcomes people like you?
I've argued this many a time, that some of the core Liberal groups are only Liberal due to reasons that don't have a strong foundation. For instance, the average Hispanic and average African-American are both very socially conservative. For instance, one of the critical factors in the failure of gay marriage just last week was due to African-Americans voting enmasse against it. Hispanics are generally strong Catholics (or at least identify with the faith far more than the average White Catholic) and are strong proponents of family. I've mentioned in the past that we should reach out to these groups, but I've almost always been met with derision. I am told that there is no way African-Americans can change parties (even though they CHANGED parties enmasse just around 3-4 decades ago ....goodness, MLK was a Republican, and being a Democrat was considered absolutely insane back then). Hispanics and African Americans have been shown, in one case through a very hilarious (in a sad way) manner before these elections, that if you show them point-by-point (and take out the D and R) the positions of Dems and Republicans, that they support Republican positions. It is only when you stick mcCain's face or Obama's mug in it that it shifts.
However, people here say it is impossible to change, when all it is is simply very difficult. In my book, very difficult is simply a challenge. It can be done. Furthermore, not doing anything guarantees failure. Third of all, even if we managed to get 25% of African-Americans, and 40% of Hispanics, the Democrat party would be dead FOREVER!
But hey ...it's ímpossible,'so instead of trying to do something let us call them names and malign them even more. That should work.
The GOP is facing a major challenge. We need to get back to Conservative principles (which, on top of social conservatism, ALSO INCLUDES fiscal conservatism, better borders, property rights etc etc etc). However, this doesn't mean that the party has to be lilly-white. There are many potential conservative pools that have not been tapped by the GOP, and insulting them will get no one anywhere.
Just a couple of days ago I responded to a thread (that was later deleted) where a FReeper (yep, a FReeper) was saying how repulsive it is that a descendant of Ham (according to his interpretation of the Bible, all blacks are descended from Ham) is ruling over the descendents of Jeph (white people). His problem with Obama wasn't because he is a closet marxist, or that his amorphous positions have been at best vapid and at worst insane, or that a virtual unknown just got elected to the most powerful position in the land. No ...his problem was that Obama was black. Now, how do you think someone like Michael Steele (one of the rising African American Conservatives) would interpret that statement? Obviously, Steele wouldn't care ...he is too strong for such nonsense. However, what would Steele's cousin think? Or the African-American sitting a pew away from him at his church? Or the general voting population that, were it not for Obama running, had already started feeling jaded that the Dems only use them every four years?
We need to be far more conservative ...kick out all the Rinos. At the same time, we need to understand that whether people like it or not the demographics are changing. America is becoming, to quote Reaganaut, 'browner'with the passing years. The only reason why America's birth rate has not dipped in the same way that it has in Europe and Japan is due to immigration to the US (and not just illegal ...mostly due to legal migration). Love it or hate it, you shall see more ...ahem ....'brown' people in the future.
Now, you can either try and see whether some of them can join the party, or you can call them the great unwashed and let the other side pick them up.
Case in point: In this thread too someone mentioned a 'pathway'from África through Venezuela'into the US. If that is about Africans coming into the US, then one thing they should note is that an African cannot just sneak across the border. The vast majority of Africans either come as students or as professionals, and that demographic (African immigrants) does very well in the US. They either take my route (working hard, white collar, professional job), or take the óld-school Asian route'(working hard, sharing quarters, saving money, buying out a nursing home from savings). Same thing with Hispanics ...there are many that cross over, but there are many who are totally legal and tacit conservatives.
Generalizing entire groups and insulting them only builds up resentment, and is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Calling people scum, and then ranting how that 'scum' is voting enmasse for the other side, should have a pretty crystal clear conclusion to anyone with half a brain.
Actually I see a time where the electorate may be voting for Democrat presidents, but when it comes to issues up for a vote (e.g. like proposition 8) they vote as if they were Republicans (by then an extinct party like the Whigs).
Plyler vs Doe...I did not know this.
this is sad because I would much rather go after those who seek handouts than jobs. I would much rather go after govts and illegals directly than sic the govt on American small business owners.
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